Government Mandates On Thanksgiving – Election Update And More – Join us today for new updates on the election, hear about the unconstitutional mandates placed on Thanksgiving gatherings, and more.

Air Date: 11/20/2020

Guest: Brad Dacus

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Rick: 

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. You found us at WallBuilders Live, where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith and the culture, always from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

I’m Rick Green, America’s Constitution coach and a former legislator, here with Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders, and David Barton, America’s premier historian, and our founder here at WallBuilders. And guys, it is, what are we at E18, is that right? 18 days after the election, we’re still going every day, updating a lot of stuff happened. Even just throughout yesterday, and a lot of these lawsuits are continuing to move, but a big update yesterday from the Trump legal team.

As we get into some of that new information, let’s encourage folks to go to wallbuilderslive.com, it’s a great place for them to get our programs from the last few days where we’ve covered some of these things in detail, and also a great place to make that one time or monthly donation. Folks, when you support us there, it allows us to get this truth out, and we need that in the culture right now, well with all the censorship and the one sided news silencing even this very important election process. It’s very important to have good sources out there. So if you want to support WallBuilders Live and help us grow in our audience so we can get more truth into more hands, make that donation to wallbuilderslive.com.

Alright, where are we going, guys? We’ve got a lot of States that have given us new information, right?

Tim:

We do. And it’s worth pointing out that normally on a Friday, we’re doing Good News Friday, and actually, I feel like the last couple days, we’ve been covering some good news along the way, because there have been a lot of positive updates from some of what’s been going on in States. And so instead of just having good news, only on Friday, we’ve had some good news moments throughout the week. And so certainly, we will look at a few things even today that are good news moments.

But knowing there’s still a lot of election stuff happening and there’s a lot of people trying to navigate is this constitutional or what is actually the process? What’s going to happen? What are we looking at? And Rick, as you mentioned, not only in this era of censorship, but also in the era of fake news, and sometimes even the lack of reporting from news media of major events that are happening…

 

Rick:

Ignoring it, just completely ignored. It’s amazing.

Tim:

Absolutely. Because it doesn’t fit their narrative, and they want go different direction, so we want to make sure that we are able to give as much information in a time like this when you’re not hearing it from as many other places as you should be. We want to get those updates. So today will be a little different than a particularly Good News Friday, although there will be some good news sprinkled in throughout this show.

But Dad, I know we were talking even before the program about some of the things that we’ve seen, maybe in the last 24 hours, 30 hours, whatever the case is, some updates from the Trump legal team yesterday that had some interesting things in there.

David:

Yeah, we were talking yesterday that we knew at some point they were going to kind of drop a bombshell. And at some point that was coming because they’ve been silent for so long, and we get stories from litigation that’s been filed, but we’re not getting any details. Well, last 24 hours have brought us a lot of details.

There was a major press conference yesterday with Giuliani and Sidney Powell, probably the two most vocal lead attorneys on the Trump stuff that’s happened in the campaign. And there were some blistering moments. Going back to what you guys just talking about, stuff that would normally be covered by the news, one of the things that Giuliani pointed out, he said, look, in Michigan, he said there are sworn affidavits, there are sworn eyewitnesses that report that a truck came in. It came in at what, four in the morning or whatever, that people watch balance being taken out, bags of ballots for Biden. They watched it go inside and those that were inside, there were still, all the Republican poll counters had gone home except two. And those two swore and testified to what they saw ballots that’s being run two or three times through the machines for Biden, somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 ballots were delivered in that truck, and then run two to three times through the machines.

He said, any good media in previous elections would have covered that. You guys have not even looked to see if that’s a story. You just absolutely ignored. It doesn’t fit your narrative, so you’re not going to report the news. And I mean, he blushed it up. And as part of it, he took question and answers. And one question came in, he just looked at reporter, said now, what newsgroup are you with? And she said CNN, and he just started laughing out loud: just a belly laugh. It’s like, that’s not a media group, this is a press conference. What are you doing here?

And so that part of it was sad and fun at the same time. I mean, it was funny that he was poking fun at what should have been a news conference. And he was absolutely right that any other thing like that, if that had been Biden watchers talking about Trump votes, I guarantee you it would have been all over the news. And these guys were sworn affidavits, sworn eyewitness testimony under oath, didn’t even talk about it.

So Sidney Powell, when she gets up, she really went through a long narration, kind of interesting we’ve been talking about Dominion, the voting machines that have been used, and the software Smartmatic, I didn’t know where it came from. I knew that one of the groups was out of Canada, also knew that part of this, ESNS and Dominion have like 41% of the nation, that’s the voting machines. She gave background that was very interesting.

Smartmatic, the software was developed back in 2006 by Hugo Chavez. Hugo Chavez did it to make sure that he would never lose an election. And so the software, and by the way, they have the eyewitness testimony, people who were in the room when it’s being tested, when all this has been done, actually, watch the results with Hugo Chavez, high ranking military official under Chavez watched when they could manipulate votes. It said, there’s a lot of backdoors in that software, allows you to use thumb drives or to use external ballots, or to flip the votes. And there’s algorithms you put in there, for every X number of votes it gets counted, you add a certain number of votes. And if the machine gets overloaded, they have to shut it down for two hours and reset it and redo the algorithm.

Which, if you remember, Tim, when you and I were doing live coverage, we came to that two hour reset that night, we couldn’t figure out why Michigan went down and why Georgia went down and why Minnesota went down and why Wisconsin went down. Well, they’re pointing that and say that’s the two hours that they have to have to reset if there’s too many votes cast, or if it’s going the wrong direction. And so they went through all the algorithm, they talked about…

Rick:

Hey David, I got to get you to back up for a second, man. So you, you know, repeat this again, where this came from, because this is one of the most shocking things about that press conference yesterday to me. We expect this stuff from a dictator, like Chavez, a socialist dictator, but that software developed for him somehow makes its way into the American voting system.

David:

Yeah, it makes its way into the American voting system. By the way, not only Chavez, he died in 2013, but Maduro has been using it since then. So it’s still going. And it’s interesting, that Sidney pointed out that two Democrat senators and one Democratic Congresswoman has pointed out to the US government how this machine has been used to manipulate votes in other nations and call their attention to it. And Sidney Powell said, you know, this is an absolute failure of the federal government not to have looked into this much, much earlier. Because here’s three Democrat people talking about this software, and this machine and what it does in other nations, and we’re using it here. And so she really excoriated him over that.

Rick:

So it shouldn’t have been news. I mean, this is something that should have brought a lot of attention to this, even years ago when it was brought up by the senators?

David:

Well, it’s interesting that as it was going yesterday, CNN was popping up said, now, this is all false news, but we’re just covering the press conference for you. I mean, it was interesting how many networks as this was going on, did not try to investigate, did not even see what the evidence was, did not care what the evidence was. They were just announcing it false as it was going on, but they let it go. And so it’s absolutely amazing stuff.

And by the way, Sidney also pointed out that you cannot find the Dominion people right now. They’ve been changing offices every 24 hours over the last several days, moving from spot to spot to spot, you can’t locate them. I talked about how that the Smartmatic and some of the stuff with Dominion, believe she said it was in the same building with Soros-funded stuff that the guy who’s number two in the UK over Soros was in there with them, that also this is linked to the Clinton Foundation as well. So they’ve just got a lot of smoking guns. Now whether that is the gun that fired the bullet, who knows? It’s a smoking gun. We’ll see if the ballistics match the bullet and say this really is what happened.

This press conference yesterday was this is the kind of stuff that we’ve all been scratching our heads saying well, there’s got to be more to it than this. I mean, what we saw was already big. But now it goes to a conspiratorial top level, considering the fact that this had been proven to be used in so many other nations and that 81% of the United States is somehow connected to the software or this hardware through one of the direct companies. Now, ESNS doesn’t seem to be connected to this at this point, so it’s not 81% that necessarily has this. But 81% was between Dominion and ESNS. I think it’s like half that for the Dominion. Is still a lot of the battleground states where it’s been.

So we’ll see what happens with this. We’ll see if the media continues a news blackout on talking about this. At this point, the Washington Post has come out saying this was all fraudulent claims. They had their fact checker check it and it was all false. How do you do a fact check when you haven’t even gone through to see the evidence yet? I mean, it’s amazing how the media is polarizing, which goes back to how Giuliani started laughing at the media and saying this is embarrassing. Any other time other than this election you would have covered this as news and you’re not doing it now.

Tim:

Well and guys, this is something that it seems to be a continued battle that’s rising in America for power and control, where it definitely seems like there’s politicians who want to maintain control and if we have to cheat to have control, we’ll do it. But guys, even now, as we’re looking at holidays coming up next week, we’re still seeing this battle for control where we’re seeing more and more governors coming out and having different ideas about how many people should be at your family and if and if you have people come over, no more than two families. And if they’re not your immediate family, maybe you need to wear a mask and so much crazy stuff. Unfortunately, there are some people that are pushing back.

One of the guys we talked about two days ago was Representative Baisley out of Colorado who said, look, the government doesn’t have the right to take away your constitutional ability, freedom of association in gathering and getting together. And yet we are seeing this kind of stuff happen from governors who want to be dictators, who are micromanaging and want to ruin, who want to get involved in our lives.

And we had attorney out from Pacific Justice Institute, Brad Dacus, actually, he’s not just an attorney, he is the leader of Pacific Justice Institute, one of the great warriors fighting for freedom, fighting for Constitutional Rights. And he was at a legislators’ conference just a week or so ago. And he actually was encouraging these state legislators of what they can do to stand up in their states to maintain constitutional rights for people. And he’s probably guy, somebody that would be good to talk to you about some of these issues.

Rick:

Alright, Brad Dacus with us when we come back, stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. In the early 1700s, the Reverend John Wise preached that all men were created equal, that taxation without representation was tyranny, and that God’s preferred form of government was the consent of the governed. All of which is language recognizable in the Declaration of Independence. Why? Because in 1772, the Sons of Liberty led by founders such as Sam Adams, and John Hancock, reprinted and distributed the Reverend Wise’s sermons, so four years later, much of the Declaration reflected the language of those sermons by John Wise.

In 1926, on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, President Calvin Coolidge affirmed “The thoughts in the declaration can very largely be traced back to what John Wise was saying.” Few today know that the Declaration was so strongly influenced by the Reverend John Wise.

For more information on this and other stories, go to wallbuilders.com.

David:

We got Brad Dacus with us, great fan of Brad. What they do Pacific Justice Institute is absolutely amazing. Matter of fact, Brad was recently in Dallas, speaking to the WallBuilders Pro-family Legislators Conference. And Brad, we’ve been looking across the country what’s happening, and the shutdown orders from various governors. And around here, people know I love Christmas. I mean, we were just playing Christmas music on the program yesterday.

So people know I love Christmas, and I know that anti-Christian people, we often call them Grinch, I don’t know what you call anti-Thanksgiving people. But it appears we’ve got a bunch of governors out there that are anti-Thanksgiving. They’re issuing all these orders in various states from Michigan to your governor in California to what’s happening with Pritzker in Illinois. It looks like 10 or 12 States governors have said no, not doing Thanksgiving. If you’re going to have it, you can’t have many family members, you got to have these really small gatherings. And so I don’t know. I mean, you see that from your standpoint as an attorney, what do you think of when you see governors doing that, what should people do?

 Brad:

Well, it’s tyranny, David, without question. We see a State, these States are generally states with Democrat governors, generally speaking, some of the others are… So not all States are the same, but it is a nationwide problem from East Coast to West Coast. What people need to do is they need to understand that the government does not have absolute rights. So first, they need to distinguish between a guideline and a mandate.

What we’ve discovered, like for Governor Gavin Newsom in California, he comes down with these, you know, seems like there’re mandates, but there’s nothing in writing, making it a mandate. It’s just a guideline, or recommendation, number one. Number two, even if they do have a mandate, saying you can have only up to two families in your home for Thanksgiving, practically speaking, I don’t see any bonafide attempt to probably enforce that if you have three or four families, saying you have to meet in your backyard instead of in your house, saying you have to each bring your own little meal in a Tupperware, separate container, you’re not sharing food…

David:

Yeah. Brad, I mean, I just got to say, that was something I was thinking about. What cop wants to go into a home where they’re having Thanksgiving to say, I’m arresting you because you’ve got 12 members here and says…? I can’t imagine any way this is going to be enforced, or any law enforcement agency that would want to do that. Now, you know, you just mentioned that. And so it would seem like in some ways, even if this is a mandate out there, it’s not going to be enforced, is it? I mean, would they really do that, you think?

 Brad:

Yeah, I don’t think they would. In most parts of the country, I don’t see that as being a real menace. The real menace in their minds are not going to be the one-time events with family gatherings, Thanksgiving. Well, they’re going to be targeting where their tyrannies really been terrible, David is when they target churches, places that meet regularly, they’re the ones that are the most under attack. And that’s why we have a Zoom call to actually educate people across the country how to deal, especially Churches and Christian Schools, how to deal with these kinds of struggles and challenges, and to do so safely and to know what their rights are.

We’ve been updating our safety checklist for churches and schools. We also give clear recognition that not, even in a state, you have different counties and different sheriffs with different attitudes. The Orange County Sheriff is saying, hey, I’m not going to enforce this against any one, barber shop stay open because I want to get my haircut. On the flip side, right next was Los Angeles County, and they have their public health officials out there to close down churches. Whatever the case, we at Pacific Justice Institute will defend any church anywhere in the country without charge if they have any kind of harassment or attacks, we will give them a free legal counsel as well.

David:

You know, that’s a great point. I’ve only thought about these orders in terms of going into homes. I had not thought about the fact that so many Christian Schools have Thanksgiving, really kind of celebrations before they break for Thanksgiving holidays, or the churches often have Thanksgiving gatherings and bringing people, I had not even thought of that aspect. And that is much more likely to be the target I would think in most of these States.

 

 

Brad:

Yes, it is. And unfortunately, in Blue states more than Red states, we have we do have a very clear difference in philosophy of governors, and why. It shows how important it is, as you and I both know, for people to vote. And Governorship, City Council’s, County Board of Supervisors, they have never had more power exhibited this last year than ever before. So we need to be sensitive to that whenever it comes time to elect these people again.

David:

You know, we’ve seen a real irony throughout this, I don’t know so called pandemic. I guess it’s literally a pandemic, but the waist responded to, it’s from the beginning, they’ve said, well, churches can’t congregate together, and they’re not essential, but at apparently, protests and rallies and big box stores and everything else is essential, and they can gather numbers. And I’ve seen no governor come out with any Thanksgiving limits on what stores can do or what restaurants can do or what protesters can do. It’s like they’re targeting families and churches. It’s like really, it’s a backdoor attack on faith, because they’re not putting other things in this category, at least with the orders that I’ve seen.

Brad:

But you’re absolutely right. We have Pacific justice, who are defending a church to have an outdoor gathering and actually, I spoke it together, it was a freedom gathering. And at the same time, so we had a public health official fining the church as for doing this, at the same time, a radical feminist pro-abortion group of radicals were demonstrating, and no public health official, and everyone knew about it. It’s a clear double standard and it was taking place in the same county, the same city, the same time. So we see a clear double standard.

Just recently, superior court judge in San Diego County issued that an order saying that strip clubs have a First Amendment free speech rights to be open and have indoor gatherings. So we see a clear double standard. The good news is that we have a fantastic Supreme Court, thanks to President Donald Trump in his appointments. And we at Pacific Justice Institute along with others have cases in action right now in litigation that will have their way to the Supreme Court, and I believe we’ll see this kind of tyranny come to an end, after everything’s all said and done.

David:

You know, it’s a bad commentary on the culture, that you guys were having so much business that you’ve had to expand nationally. I know you got an office in Dallas, now and you’re moving across the nation. It’s really bad commentary, would we need so much more legal protection on fundamental constitutional rights, particularly things that involve our faith. But thank you, guys, for being out there.

And you know, in Texas, we already understand that all good things come to Texas, so we’re not surprised that you have an office in Texas now. I mean, we knew that would happen eventually. Sorry, Texas arrogance coming through there. But nonetheless, thank you, Brad, for all you do for your willingness to take on folks. And folks, this is one of the organizations that’s really good to contribute to, you can go to Pacificjustice.org. But this is one of these guys, and I guess Brad, if anything comes up in any churches or our schools or people get shut down on this, just to contact you, what’s the best way to get a hold of you?

Brad:

Our website is the best, Pacificjustice.org. We do our work without charge. And we’re very unique, and we don’t cherry pick. So we work hard to make sure that everyone gets help when it comes to religious freedom, parental rights to take to human life. And we have nine offices across the country.

David:

Brad, we appreciate you, brother. Thanks for all you’re doing.

Brad:

Thank you. Appreciate you, David. Keep up the great work in WallBuilders. Thank you.

David:

Bless you, bro. Be back with Tim and Rick right after this.

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Hi, friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is the time when most Americans don’t know much about American history or even heroes of the faith. And I know oftentimes, for parents, we’re trying to find good content for our kids to read.

And if you remember back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the faith Hall of Fame where they outline the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well.

I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called The Courageous Leaders collection. And this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright brothers. And there’s a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection, you’ll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman. Friends, the list goes on and on.

This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it’s a providential view of American and Christian history. This is available at www.wallbuilders.com. That’s www.wallbuilders.com.

Rick:

We’re back hare on WallBuilders Live, thanks for staying with us. And thanks to Brad Dacus for joining us from Pacific Justice Institute. And, David, you were talking about not only Thanksgiving in the home, which is another thing that just infuriates me to think the government’s going to tell you how many of your kids can come over. But this would also affect churches in some ways. And was Brad saying that he would defend churches if they still had their Thanksgiving events, and not to stop their Thanksgiving gatherings over some of these orders from these governors?

David:

Yeah, what we’re seeing is already the courts have been coming out in recent weeks saying, hey, you can’t shut down churches, that you can’t make them nonessential, they get to be open. So what we’re seeing these other governors really kind of cracked down, Brad reminds us that look, they’re going to defend any church that they get, if a governor, if a mayor, if some official comes after you for having Thanksgiving services, and says you’re violating it, contact Brad, because they’re going to defend you. And these are the cases we’ve been winning a lot of in recent weeks.

Rick:

Well, hey, guys, for our last few minutes together, we had a question and it came from one of our listeners named Carol. She said “There’s a video going around Facebook, where a guy says that a President Trump does not concede the race, that gives them an opportunity to use an option that two presidents in American history have used before. That opportunity is to continue to fight for justice of the election at a certain point before January, that would go to the House of Representatives.” According to this person, “Each State representative within the House of Representatives would then get one vote per state towards the president or the opponent, then the house would actually wind up picking the next president if there is no concession from one of the running rates. Could you tell me if this is correct, please? It seems like if this is so, then Donald Trump would be guaranteed to be president again by simply waiting until it has to go to the house since 37 States would be voting Republican assumingly.”

Okay, so some of that sounds right, some of that definitely is factually wrong, but the concept is kind of close. It’s just that it’s not triggered by the president refusing to concede, right?

David:

Yeah, there’s a couple problems to that and all we’re doing is responding to the question, why is asked, don’t know how the personal media presented it. But there has never been an occasion in US history where the President has not conceded the race that we go to the House of Representatives, it has gone to the House of Representatives twice for them to choose the president, once in 1800, when it was chosen between Thomas Jefferson, Aaron Burr of the House chose Thomas Jefferson. And the second time in 1824 when there were four candidates, and they chose John Quincy Adams over Andrew Jackson. But that was not the choice of any president to do so.

And President Trump can’t get this thrown to the House. Now, he should refuse to concede until every legal vote is counted and they get a legal determination. But what’s going to happen is if it goes to the House, it’s going to be because the States can’t get this thing solved by the time that you have to have all the reporting done for Electoral College. It’s going to be because the courts don’t get this thing done in a timely manner. Even in Bush v. Gore back in 2000, the courts have made sure they got it done before the time of reporting inauguration.

So this is not something President Trump has any control over the timeline on, he can follow the suits as they have been for the last two weeks, and he can see what the courts do and how fast they move. But if this goes to the House, it’s because the Judges and because the state legislatures have not reached appropriate conclusions by the time those reports need to be made.

Rick:

And just for clarification there too, I mean, it really comes down to if enough states don’t report that no one gets 270. So you could have one state not report or still be in litigation. And if Biden’s over 270 or Trump was over 270, it wouldn’t go to the House. So the whole reason for the House to get that basically backup election is if there is no majority Electoral College winner.

David:

Yeah, great point. Because there could be some states undecided when this inauguration goes on, and that would not stop it if as you point out we get 270 electoral votes. So they’re absolutely correct.

Tim:

Well, guys, this is just one more reason why we need to remember even it’s for coming in the weekend, we need to be praying for what’s going on. As we talked about at the beginning of the program with some of Trumps lawyers that are announcing some of the things they have discovered, some things they found, just because there’s anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean it’s going to hold up in a court of law. Even if you have sworn affidavits, it would seem like a lot of judges maybe in some Jury scenarios depending on how this all unfolds, they would want to see some kind of substantial proof.

And so one of the things we’re praying for America is that justice, righteousness would prevail in the land, and part of how righteousness and justice prevails, is that if there is evil, if there is wrongdoing, if there is fraud, if there is cheating, that it would get exposed, and it would get caught. One of the things that we understand as Americans is, in order for us to live in freedom, there has to be a base underlying foundation that we are building on. And right now, if people are not able to trust the election process, or have confidence in what is going on, it’s going to be hard for us to function as an American nation,.

Moving forward with how polarized we are, it seems like no matter who wins, someone is going to be really, really upset except if you can show a lot of this fraudulent activity and you can show, present it to where the American people can see it and go, oh, that’s what happened. Oh, well, no, that was wrong. There needs to be enough evidence to be convincing before the Jury of the American public to understand that this election isn’t being stolen one way or the other. And so that’s just one more reason we need to be praying.

Rick:

Well, a lot more to watch for, folks, and we’ll keep you updated on even those crazy scenarios. Not so crazy, it’s happened in history. It’s not unprecedented. Redoing elections is not unprecedented. Electoral College, not selecting the president and going into the House is not unprecedented. So be ready. We could have one of those crazy elections that goes down in the history books as one of only a handful of times where it’s happened like that.

Stay tuned WallBuilders Live next week, we’ll keep you updated. Over the weekend, go to wallbuilderslive.com and listen to some of those programs in the archives. We sure appreciate you listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.