The Personal Story Of Hope For The Heart – With Founder June Hunt Part 2: How does a child who grows up in an abusive home turn out to be a healthy person living a happy life? How can someone discover that Christianity is truly a relationship with God, instead of just a religion? Tune in for this special interview with June Hunt, a lady who has helped countless individuals find hope and answers in a seemingly hopeless world.

Air Date: 09/08/2021

Guest: June Hunt

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


Welcome to WallBuilders Live. This is the intersection of faith and culture. I’m Rick Green, former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. And we’re looking at all these hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

And normally, we’re taking that look at the hot topics of the day with David Barton and Tim Barton. David’s, of course, America’s premier historian. And if you haven’t studied you know, David Barton’s materials, you’ve got to get over to and start diving in where you will find so much truth. 

I’m telling you this guy has read more of the Founding Fathers than anybody alive. He captures their spirit and teaches what they put into the founding documents and into the founding of this nation better than anybody in the country, hands down. So check that out at 

Learn more about David Barton there and get David and Tim’s new book, The American Story. And speaking of Tim, he’s a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders, also normally here with me.

But David and Tim have the day off while we are jumping right back into the interview we started with yesterday with Miss June Hunt, incredible story. If you missed yesterday, you’ve got to go to and listen to that first part of this program. This is an amazing lady, incredible ministry, you know, very famous Texas family, the Hunt family. I mean, and her personal story of just triumph and overcoming difficulties, and all kinds of things is just incredible.

And in fact, yesterday, we were kind of in the middle of that when we had to close out the program. And she was talking about how she would share the gospel with her dad and what his reaction would be. And I closed out the program yesterday in a very cruel fashion. 

We don’t usually do that. But I finished the program with the question for her being played and not her answer. That was not fair. And I apologize, not really, because I’m hoping we got you to tune in today.

And so I’m going to just going to pick up what the question that was asked of Miss Joon Hunt at towards the end of yesterday’s first half of the interview and then it’ll take us right back into the interview with Miss Hunt. So here we go.



Now, it sounds like though that you did have enough discernment and wisdom to say I can only control what I say and do, I can’t control his reaction, is that looking back now that you understand that, or did you feel that at the time when you would share with him in the younger years when you were learning these things? Were you able to do that and say, I’m just going to do my part, I can’t control his reaction?


I think I first had to find out who God really was and Jesus having a relationship. In fact, I had others who would say, June, Christianity is not a religion, it’s a relationship with Christ. And I would think, of course, it’s a religion. Why would they say that? 

But then they would try to explain that Christianity is Christ living inside you, because the Bible says it’s Christ in you, the hope of glory in you, and I thought I’ve never heard that before.

You know, there are times when we’re not even been exposed, we don’t even know truth. So what drew me was, I saw authentic Christianity lived out in the lives of teenagers, youth workers, and whatever they had I wanted. And so then I didn’t even know how to pray a prayer of salvation, even though I’d heard it. 

But then, I mean, I finally heard it. And I wasn’t even sure it work. I thought, well, what if it doesn’t work? Because I’m math, math makes sense to me. That doesn’t make sense to some people, but math makes sense.

But logically, you know, I thought, well, I would watch a person walk down an aisle to come to Christ, but how do I know that, it wasn’t walking down an aisle? They said they had received Jesus, but I didn’t know what that meant. And you know, we don’t have to know everything. 

We have to be willing, and just yielded that is the first scripture that ever meant anything to me was “trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path.”

Well, I was having a lot of pain and dead. I was the only one who took up for my mom. And so I was only beaten once, but you know, you don’t forget it. 

Growing Up in a Bizzare Home

And I didn’t do well. There was one year where I had all F’s and one D in school involved in one semester. And I didn’t know what to do with life. But there were youth workers, even though I never talked, I didn’t tell anybody about anything.

You know, it’s very interesting when you grow up in a bizarre home, you know everybody else doesn’t have what you’ve got. And so I learned years ago, watch for that kid that is shut down, watch for that kid that doesn’t have a voice, find a way to find common ground, find ways to show them you care. 

And as a youth director, it was a huge benefit, because I knew what it was like to not be able to speak, to not talk. And it was phenomenal the work that, so you know, I cannot believe that the Lord taught me how, through the past…

And what I’m trying to say, Rick, is my only question was, and it wasn’t even a prayer. It’s if God’s loving God, how could he allow one person that’d be my dad to cause so much pain to so many people? And I didn’t have anybody to ask. I wasn’t talking to God, but I couldn’t understand. Yet, truthfully, I was a far better youth director, wanting even to kill myself, wanting to kill my dad, wanting to…


You’ve been through all of that so you were able to address it with all these kids that were coming through in the same situation.


Yeah, it was so easy to see it. And then to just put that hand on the shoulder and say, hey, Johnny, please help me. Could you help me? I am new here. Could you tell me how to do, you know and engage them and all this. But you talked about kids responding when they feel needed and helpful and they were. And so my rebels, I just watched them turn. It was fabulous. And then yet, with all, that’s valuable.

And then the issues in the college, I was a college and career director later. And I thought, oh, well, all the apologetics as answering the real questions that people are asking, that was invaluable. And so I would see God moving me from one situation to another before the ministry Hope for the Heart. 

Craving Answers for Life

But I just think people are craving answers for their lives. And if we can articulate, what is God’s plan, nothing’s wasted. Like a man, the other day, he said, I’ve wasted 55 years of my life, it’s all a waste. 

I said, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, it’s not wasted. You have learned what doesn’t work. That’s highly valuable. Now let’s look at your life. Where do you go from here? What is your mindset? What does it need to be?


And what was God teaching you during that, you know, what was he taking you through during that 55 years, this gentleman, to prepare you for whatever that next chapter in life is?


We know that the Bible says, all things work together for good for those who love him, and are called according to his purpose. So the point is, there is always, well, I’ve learned more through the pain than I ever have through the pleasure.I’ve learned far more through even my failures than I have through the successes.




And they’re poignant. They’re painful, and therefore, we pay more attention. And it’s vital that we not take credit for what God is doing in our hearts and in our lives.


And we can’t always see, he sees the big picture and all those different puzzle pieces. I mean, I even in my 20s, I said the same thing that gentleman told you. I had a business that I did for three years, and then it failed, and I said I wasted three years of my life. 

I wasted. And then I realized what God was teaching me during those three years that would prepare me for the things, actually, some of the things I’m doing now, 25 years later, that he used those three years, you know exactly what you were just saying.

I gotta go back and ask you about, again, the person that helped you to apply the Scripture. It’s almost like the Philips situation where he says, do you understand what you’re reading? And the response is, how can I unless someone explains it to me. 

Hope for the Heart

It seems like that’s what you’re doing with Hope for the Heart, is you’re saying here’s the explanation, here’s the application of God’s Word to your specific situation in life. Does that make sense?


Yes. And we have a new program called Lifeline to Hope, where any church could take our material of… We help people be better people helpers. But the tendency for whenever there’s a tragedy or a trauma, people tend to go to the pastor. 

75% of the people go to a pastor or Rabbi or priest. Most pastors are absolutely inundated and not necessarily gifted in answering those tough questions of life. Well, there are all these people helpers in the church.

And so we have a problem we’ve just started, where the people helpers, it doesn’t have to be under the pastor, it could be an assistant pastor, just someone who’s been through this to understand this is first, how to be the best people helper you can be, and then to start, part two would be learning. What do you do when there is unforgiveness? How do you help people forgive?

In fact, one man just did this. There’s a church called RockPoint in a suburb of Dallas. And so he’s in this program of Lifeline to Hope. And so he picked up our material on forgiveness. He read it in one sitting, and he called his mother and said, mother, I need to talk with you. Well, they were totally estranged for years, years. 

So he goes over, so he asked forgiveness. I don’t know what the content was. I just know he asked forgiveness. And he said, I’m going to ask one thing. Would you just read these keys for living on forgiveness? And she promised she would do it.

And the next night, they were together and it was a reunion like you’ve never seen before. It was unbelievable, when both understood what forgiveness was, and what they needed to ask forgiveness for, and how they needed to do it. But we get the how-tos. So you know, it’s like, this man cannot believe that he entered the program to kind of help others, but the help he received himself was incredible.

We Need the How-To’s

And so I think some often we are willing, but we need to be shown the how-tos. I love practical application. And years ago, when I was a youth director, I would go to a conference, and I think, well, Rick, I’m inspired, but I haven’t been told anything practically that I can do.


Yeah, what do I do with it? Yeah.


Yeah, it wasn’t presented as, I mean, but they’ll say, oh, there’s a culture generation divide. Well, yes. But we need to present specifics.


That’s right.


And people respond. And, you know, that shows that we care. And I think truly, there’s an old saying, people don’t care how much you know, but they know how much you care. 

So Jesus was an exceptionally, he knew what love was. Love seeks the highest good of the other person. And he would look beyond the fault and see the need. And so that’s what was the setup when I said that she looked beyond my dad’s fault, she saw the need, he needed to change life. And sure enough, one day, nine months before he died, he came into that life-changing relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.


That’s powerful. Well, for all of the folks out there that are saying, okay, what do I do with my situation, go to And I’m telling you, the list is too long to even read. It’s everything from dating, hope, aging, anxiety, you name it, it’s there. And it’s practical application from the best instruction manual ever written, God’s word, but it’s application of those specific areas. We’ll be right back with our conclusion with Miss June Hunt. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.


Hey, guys, we want to let you know about a new resource we have here at WallBuilders called The American Story. For years, people have been asking us to do a history book, and we finally done it. We start with Christopher Columbus and go roughly through Abraham Lincoln. And one of the things that so often we hear today are about the imperfections of America, or how so many people in America that used to be celebrated or honored really aren’t good or honorable people.

One of the things we acknowledge quickly in the book is that the entire world is full of people who are sinful and need a savior, because the Bible even tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And yet what we see through history, and certainly is evident in America is how a perfect God uses imperfect people and does great things through them. The story of America is not the story of perfect people. 

But you see time and time again how God got involved in the process and use these imperfect people to do great things that impacted the entire world from America. To find out more, go to and check out The American Story.

 Abraham Lincoln and the Riots


Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live, we’re back for our final few minutes with Miss June Hunt, host of Hope for the Heart. Now, June before I let you go, before we went on air, we were talking a little bit about Abraham Lincoln and I can’t not do this program, I know that’s a double negative, shame on me, without covering that. 

So let’s talk a little bit about that, because that’s a big topic right now and people don’t know what to do with this division in our country, and especially over a lot of the people that throughout our history that have been our heroes, Abraham Lincoln being one of those.


What you’re talking about, of course, is the Cancel culture. And there are many churches that they’ll cancel, their pastors that feel cancel, their speakers, they’re, all kinds. But the thing that first struck me was, why would a San Francisco committee recommend the removal of names specifically Abraham Lincoln, you know like, Lincoln High School? How could Abraham Lincoln be canceled?




And so I just did research. And I knew that there were toppling of statues, specifically of Lincoln in Portland as part of indigenous peoples day of rage. Now, how could that be? Well, to understand, it wasn’t over what we call the Emancipation Proclamation, it wasn’t over his freeing of the slaves.

Lincoln was put on the Cancel culture chopping block because of his perceived sins involving Native Americans. And on this toppled statue of Lincoln, are the words Dakota 38 were spray painted on the base. It referred to court trials and the execution of 38 Dakota Indians following the United States Dakota War.

The Dakota 38

Now, from the Stanford Law Review, just to give the context, this is literally from that. The fighting began when a group of Dakota, that would be Dakota Indians, attacked the redwood at the lower agency, 13 Americans were killed and it gave a lot of specifics. What was going on was, there are these American settlements, in cases, there were many cases where there were no fortifications to be protecting the citizens of the town. 

Settlers were many times unarmed, taken by surprise. But the Dakota Indians were killing the men taking the women and the children as prisoners. Now they viewed it they were protecting their land. So obviously, there was a war.

But the problem came, in regard to Lincoln, how does that tie to him? This is during the Civil War. Now, you say, okay, well, yeah, he’s responsible. 

No, listen to this. He personally reviewed, there were over 300 convictions, and I’m talking about the death penalty of Indians, but he refused to authorize the vast majority of those sentences, because he wanted to make sure there was due process of law.

So he took the time, in the midst of the great civil war, and he did eventually time 38 sentences of death once he determined that in those cases the defendant did receive a fair trial. Likewise, as the second thing: he made this declaration: 

“If we get through the war, and I live, this Indian system will be reformed.” So he had the plan to deal with and the vast improvement of the Indian system, but as you know, he was assassinated, and therefore, he did not have that opportunity that…


But you point out that it was the opposite of what people perceive? So the 38 were executed, but that was out of about 300, he commuted the other sentences because he reviewed all those cases and he made sure that only the ones that were guilty of rape and murder, and I mean, it was a pretty horrendous situation, that those were the ones that were executed and the others were commuted?

Cancel Culture


So what’s left out is the context. And so this is my bottom line. If you look at authentic Christianity, Christianity canceled the Cancel culture. Again, the Cancel culture is canceled by the Christian culture. 

Because with the Cancel culture, anything you’ve said, anything you’ve done, can or will be used against you. That’s the very opposite of what Jesus does with us.


That’s right.


That’s the very opposite of the Bible. When we humble our hearts and receive Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior, literally, everything we’ve done in the past, anything we would do in the future is not going to be held against us. In terms of the forgiveness, we are literally set free, and he changes us inside out. 

So what I’m saying about that is, no matter what, you look at the focus, it’s focusing not on the past, but focusing on the future. We are predestined to be conformed to the character of Christ, it says in Romans 8:29. And that is a gift of grace. That’s what God gives us.

So the Cancel culture only gives us condemnation. The Christian culture gives us amazing grace. And he, the Lord Jesus is our shepherd who lay down his life for his sheep. The Christian culture, therefore, clearly cancels the Cancel culture.


Well, that’s why we need that revival and resurgence of that Christian culture. And that’s only going to happen if we actually apply God’s word, not just carry the Bible around or even read the Bible and not actually apply it. It’s the application of his word. 


Love what you’re doing, is the website to go get these booklets to be able to read, and it’s also where you can get links to June’s evening radio program. God bless you. Thank you so much for coming on WallBuilders Live.


I’m deeply honored to be with you. Thank you, Rick.


This was a two part program. If you missed the first half with Miss June Hunt, be sure to go to today. I know this was a different kind of interview for WallBuilders Live. 

You know, typically, we have someone in the political realm, an attorney arguing before the Supreme Court, a US senator, you know, that’s typically what you hear on WallBuilders Live. And today, what I thought was so special about today and yesterday with Miss Hunt is that, you know, we talk a lot about biblical citizenship, about biblical application, actually applying the Bible to our lives.

And here on our program, we talk a lot about it with regard to our neighborhoods, our states, our nation, how we treat each other, how we form society, what kind of laws are good, you know, all of those different things, and we don’t spend quite as much time on the heart issues and and applying. It’s the exact same concept, as we talked about yesterday, exact same concept, applying biblical instruction to whatever you’re facing in life, whether that be a marriage issue, a family issue, a cultural issue–

Something happening at your work, or your school, or whatever it might be, it’s still comes back to the basic precept that we understand the God’s instruction manual, his Word has all the answers, I mean, for everything in life. It doesn’t matter. You cannot think of an issue, think of a problem that there is not instruction or application in God’s Word. When we search his Word, we will find the answers.

And we just thought it would be neat to have Hope for the Heart highlighted here on the program, they touch so many issues that we don’t get to spend a lot of time on here at WallBuilders Live. But it’s all coming back again to that same thing, applying the instruction manual, making sure that we’re applying the Bible, to our relationships, to the way that we work, to the way that we serve others, to the way that we treat each other, to the leaders that we choose, which is what we do talk awful lot about here on WallBuilders.

Biblical Application to Life

And then how to deal with all of those emotional things that June was talking about. I’m just I was thrilled to find the resource. I didn’t realize that they addressed so many things in the exact same way that we address biblical citizenship. 

They address biblical life applying the Bible in all those different areas of life. So I just thought that was really cool, and a neat thing to be able to share with you.

If you missed yesterday, again, it’s on the website right here in our archive section. You can get both today and yesterday’s program for the full interview about Hope for the Heart and other programs available there as well. By the way, is just a great website to have as a tab, on your browser, so that you can consistently go back there for a news of the day, for whatever the hot topic is that we’re covering with the radio program.

Or even just getting some of those resources, jump over to where we have the Biblical Citizenship in Modern America course, that’s your chance to really apply biblical instruction, like we’ve been talking about, specifically to how we form our neighborhoods, our communities, our state, in other words, our politics, our our communities. 

And that course I’m telling you is just exploding across the country. As I mentioned yesterday, over 8,500 coaches now, people are teaching the class, they’re finding hope. We get so many, so many great testimonials and just incredible feedback from people that were discouraged, you know, that had pretty much given up on America.

The Personal Story Of Hope For The Heart – With Founder June Hunt Part 2

And so I encourage you, don’t go that direction. Get this course, either take it by yourself. But I really do encourage you to host it. Actually, invite some friends and family over to the house, or do the class at your church. It’s all free. Go to It’s free. Make sure that you’re diving in and getting biblical instruction for life. God bless you for listening today.

Please share the program with your friends and family. That’s another thing you can do at, is grab links to the programs and just send them out. I mean, that’s one of the best ways for us to get more truth in the hands of more Americans. We get throttled all the time on social media, we get banned on social media, blocked on social media, because we’re speaking truth. 

And one of the best ways around that is you as a listener being a force multiplier and sharing that information. You can also make a contribution at the website, make a one-time or monthly contribution, and that’ll help us reach more people as well. God bless you for listening, again. Thanks so much, you’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.