The System Kills Your Kids – Epoch TV School’s Out – With Sam Sorbo – How does the system kill your kids? How does it trap you into generational mistakes? Sam Sorbo from Epoch TV program ‘School’s Out’ joins us to answer these questions and more. Take the first step for your child’s future and tune into this program today!

Air Date: 01/17/2022

Guest: Sam Sorbo

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Rick:

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Sam Sorbo is with us, School’s Out is the name of the program. It’s on Epic Times, Epoch Times. I don’t know, Sam, have you figured out is it Epic or Epoch? Everybody from the actual newspaper and the TV program tells me there’s not a right way to say, is there a right way to say it?

Sam:

You know, they maintain that there isn’t a right way to say it, but they all say Epic. But the problem is when you say Epic, people picture E-P-I-C, unless they’re very familiar with it. And so I always say Epoch because that way people will get a picture of the word and it’s Epoch TV, and yeah,

Rick:

Okay, then I’m switching. I’ve been saying Epic, so you’ve convinced me schools now in and it’s going to be Epoch from now on. Hey, thanks for coming back on WallBuilders Live. It’s good to have you back.

Sam:

Thanks for having me. I’m so passionate about this subject of school because seriously, all of the issues that we are living in today emanate from our schooling.

Rick:

Yeah. And I remember, it’s been a year and a half, I cannot believe it’s been a year and a half, but back when COVID, we were five months into it, I guess and you came on the program, and we talked about education and just how bad things have gotten and it’s no longer just at, you know, it’s everybody’s choice. I mean, at this point, your kids are in danger if you hand them over to the leftist and that’s part of your warning to people at this point.

Sam:

Well, here’s what’s interesting. So since I started doing schools out with Sam Sorbo on Epoch TV, I actually dove deeper okay. And so, now basically, I’m targeting the entire system of school. So for example, I was talking to a young woman the other day, and she said she’s a nursing student, she had her vaccines. She also then got COVID After the vaccines and you know, now the surveys are coming out that even the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting COVID. And she said to me, and I quote, “The problem really is the unvaccinated.” Now, there is no logic behind that statement. All that is wrote mimicry of the experts that she’s heard. There’s no critical thinking, as they say there’s no evaluation because it’s a non sequitur.

Rick:

Well, if the educators themselves are no longer using logic and critical thinking, what do we think they’re teaching the kids?

Sam:

And so the whole paradigm is you will regurgitate what you are told, and that has become our education paradigm. And that is not education. That is only indoctrination. So most people say, well, it’s not education, it’s indoctrination when they’re trying to criticize the schools, and they’re right. And yet, what they don’t understand is just how deep that goes. So it’s not they’re indoctrinating your children to think a certain way. What they are doing is they’re training your children in school to not think. So they’re taught to not question. They’re taught to not try because failure is a bad thing, so they’re taught to not try. And they’re taught to not think. And that’s why we are in the morass that we are in right now is because we have so many people who are abdicating thoughts.

Rick:

This is such an important point. It’s not just because that’s always been my complaint, they’re just not teaching well, they’re not teaching the good stuff. What you’re saying they’re accomplishing their goal, they’re teaching them to not think and to literally be robots, I mean, they just follow…

Sam:

Right. And to not question. So I started with this idea that you know, you’re supposed to raise your hand to ask a question. That’s the first thing you learn in school. If you ask anybody, immediately, what do you have to do to ask a question? They actually raised their hands because they’re so conditioned by our schools, and it’s visceral. They embody it, right? But if you think it through the need to raise your hand in order to question the teacher is subservient, is obeying the authority, and it is, in effect, a deterrent to asking the question. It’s a deterrent.

And so the first thing they teach you in school basically is, hey, don’t question. If there’s too much, there’s too much at risk, there’s too much trouble associated with it. Now, it’s not that every child then succumbs, there are kids who can escape the paradigm, and somehow sort of they survived to fight another day. But what I’m saying is, in general, the whole paradigm is skewed against learning. And of course, we want our children to be lifelong learners. We want them to learn and love learning and continue to learn. But the system is engaged in deterrence of that very thing. And that’s a problem. And that’s why I say, if you do nothing but pull your kids out of public school, you are already putting them ahead.

Rick:

And there used to be a confidence, right, in American parents that I’m sending my kid there, because they’re the experts; they’re going to teach my kid how to think. You know, I’m not as good as they are. They’re smarter than I am. All that good stuff, right? You know, I know you and I have are more people are losing that confidence. COVID is kind of help reveal the failure of the schools to do what we intend it for them to do.

Sam:

Well, no, I don’t know that that’s true. I know that it’s revealed that the schools are doing stuff that they haven’t been asked to do, and that the schools want the power to do everything that they want to do. And they want to cut the parents out of that equation. And there are too many parents who are willing to then relinquish their power and their control there. And that’s too bad.

Here’s the thing. They told us that education was the three R’s, right? You send your kid to school so that they get the three R’s, right: reading, writing, and arithmetic. Now, here’s the thing. That in and of itself, right on its face, it’s a bold-faced lie, because it isn’t three R’s. But not only that, not only is it not three R’s. It is also not education. Those are the tools for education, but they are not education. And they did like a switcheroo on us.

And so now I say to people, it’s the three F’s, that’s what we should be looking for, which is faith, family, and freedom. Faith, because faith is your worldview, which trust me, you’re getting a religion in school. It’s just not Judeo-Christianity. And so that is how you look at the world. Okay? Family is basically your initial relationships. Family is the first relationships that you form and so it’s representative of how you will engage with the world. And freedom, because we all know that education is freedom, and that’s why they’re not accomplishing it in schools because they do not wish for children to enjoy freedom. They look for subservience and servitude, and that’s what they want. And that’s what they’re engaged in achieving.

Rick:

That’s the state of affairs right now. Tell us what you hope to accomplish with School’s Out with the program?

Sam:

So when School’s Out on Epic TV, my goal is to somehow release parents from the shackles…

Rick:

Hey, you said Epic, Epoch. So, I’m a bad influence on you.

Sam:

Yeah, seriously. I switch back and forth because guy, I don’t know.

Rick:

I’m sorry, I should interrupted you. You’re about to tell us all about School’s Out, and what you want to accomplish, and I’m hung up on Epoch or Epic. Go ahead.

Sam:

Well, Rick, my whole mission is to free parents and therefore their children from the shackles of education. And that’s really what it is. It’s shackling your child to a paradigm that is destructive, okay. And the paradigm is teacher, head of the classroom has all the knowledge, and you have to wait like a baby bird to be fed. And that’s why it’s devolved into well, this beyond the test, which is not education. That’s mimicry. That’s my bird technique, right? That’s not education.

So my goal is to free parents of that. So if I can break down what is the school in front of the parents so that they see that the school is simply detrimental, it is not good, okay, it is not good, then they will be free to pursue other things. They still think that there is good in the schools, and I’m here to tell them there isn’t. There might be a good teacher. You might be lucky and win the jackpot and your student has a good teacher. But the paradigm is flawed, your students still will be damaged. And by the way, we’re all damaged. We’re all damaged by this system. If we went to school, we’ve been damaged by the system.

And there’s another way that the system damages and that’s by removing the parent from the child, removing the child from the parent, and destroying that relationship. And that’s another damage that’s very difficult to recoup. And so we’re living in a country now, that is largely an unparented country, right? None of us have really been parented. Even if we had great parents, they were less than because we went to school. And now it’s generational.

Rick:

So 8-10 hours of the day, you’re not with the people that are supposed to be mentoring you and having the most influence on you. And I say 8-10 because most kids go early in the morning, they got the bus ride, they get to school, and they got athletics or the play or whatever, afterwards. I mean, they’re gone for most of the day. Most parents get an hour or two, maybe that they’re actually with their kids at the most.

Sam:

And we don’t know any better, right? Because our parents went to school, so they did the best that they could. I’m not lambasting parents by any stretch. My mother did the best that she could. But she wasn’t parented. So now it’s generational.

Rick:

And don’t you have kind of a nostalgic, I mean, I battled this when I talked to parents about hey, are you going to homeschool, public school, private school, what are you going to do? And we’ve got this, I think, false nostalgic view of our education or whether it’s from the movies or our own experience, or whatever. I mean, how do you break people out of that and say, first of all, even if you had a great experience with a great school 30 years ago, 50 years ago, whatever it was, that’s not the school your kids go into anymore?

Sam:

Well, that’s true. See, I don’t suffer from nostalgia for school. I hated school. And I was a good student, by the way, but I hated school. And it made me hate learning. And unfortunately, that’s the paradigm. So we’ve all been brainwashed to think that school knows what it’s doing and did a great job for us, or so-called, right. I’m like I’m battling uphill with 150-300 pounds on my back, like, it’s crazy. Because you’ll talk to somebody for the longest time, and you’ll convince them and then they’ll still say, but I can’t homeschool. I can’t keep my kids home. I’m going to have to find some kind of school. No, no, you don’t. No, no. But here’s the good news.

On my patriotmarketplace.com, I’ve started a community so that people can talk to each other because this really demands community. You need to talk to some other people. I in my speaking and in my conferences and stuff, I try to cast a vision for parents. And by casting a vision so they can envision what it is we’re talking about. Because when you say homeschool, people think you have to stand over your child with your finger pointed in a book, right?

Rick:

That’s right.

Sam:

That’s what it is. And so I try to cast a vision that is and that’s why I’m changing the name. I’m calling it Self-teaching because it’s not the parents as teacher. That’s the wrong paradigm. It’s not the parent as teacher, because the teacher paradigm is flawed. So, we’re upending the whole thing. But it’s very difficult for people to make that leap.

And so I try to cast a vision and say, imagine that you have a great relationship with your child, and that your child is so engaged, that they’re asking so many questions that they’re so excited to learn that you can’t keep up. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? Because your job is not to keep up, your job is to help them focus. Your job is to steer them to the right resources for learning. Your job is not to find the right teacher for them necessarily. Maybe, like on piano, my son needed a new piano teacher. So we went interviewed some piano teachers and he chose his teacher because he knew what he needed better than I did at that point, because I’m not a pianist, but he is. Right?

My daughter’s an artist, and I was racking my brains how am I supposed to teach that, God? I don’t know how to teach art. I’m not an artist. And somebody said to me, well, you know, artists study anatomy. And so I ran upstairs, I said, hey, Kati, let’s find you an anatomy class, a teacher that can teach you anatomy. And she opened her sketchbook and she was already doing anatomical drawings because she had already figured out I better learn anatomy. And she’d gone on the internet and found out how to draw anatomically correct things and how to study anatomy. In fact, yesterday, she announced to me that she did 45 drawings of a human hand over the past three days. She’s very proud of herself.

Rick:

Wow! But the resources are unlimited. I mean, it’s not the old days where you can’t get access to this stuff. You got it all right there at your fingertips.

Sam:

But look at Abe Lincoln, 16th President of the United States, he taught himself the law. It’s doable. Okay? By the way, I want to tell parents, you do not need a high school diploma to go to college, you do not need a college degree to go to law school or medical school. Like that’s the whole ruse. It’s all a ruse. That’s the other thing I say. The schools say that their focus is college prep and career readiness. Well, we know that career readiness is an abject lie. It’s a lie.

Rick:

No, we’ve got to blow up this paradigm. I mean, this lie is a scam of the universities for the last 50 years in this country to make you think your whole elementary education is all about preparing you for college that turns out, at least two-thirds of people didn’t need in the first place, they get a degree, go into debt. The degree has nothing to do with what they end up doing in their career. It’s an absolute scam. I’m sorry to interrupt you. But you’re on one of my hot buttons here. You’re absolutely right.

Sam:

It’s a Ponzi scheme. Okay? It’s convincing you to spend money so that you can make more money in the long run. And it’s a lie. And so there is no career readiness, okay? There isn’t. Because most of the college degrees that come out of college, they don’t get jobs, much less careers. But that leaves us with college prep. And what is college prep? It’s just an indoctrination to convince you and your child that the child needs to go to college, you both need to spend money to send the child to college. That’s a Ponzi scheme. That’s all that is.

Rick:

Yeah, it’s reinforced by everything. Like even an entertainment, I can think of to instances in movies or TV shows in just the last couple of weeks that so much of the show was based on the acceptance letter. Did I get into whatever that college is? I mean, it’s like everybody builds their life around this thing that is so empty, and so wasteful for most people. And get it, some careers, what medicine, whatever, you definitely need to go get certain degrees. I mean, there’re rare exceptions. But for most people, what a waste.

And one of the things that you’re bringing out is just think of all the things you can do during your child’s elementary education if you’re not lost in that fake model that doesn’t have the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, all of the different things that your kid can experience during these education years and even in the high school years of interning and apprenticeships and go and live.

Sam:

I had a homeschooler tell me that her kids were all going to be pilots by the age of 16 for free. They don’t even have to pay for the training because they’re involved in, I can’t remember, but it’s some kind of service organization that will train kids to be pilots, and so they’ll have their pilot’s license by the age of 16 and be able to fly.

Rick:

And just extrapolate that to music and sports and whatever that kid’s passion is, whatever they’re interested in the things that could do by 16 or 18 if they break this mold.

Sam:

So that’s what we’re doing right now. We’re casting a vision. We’re offering a vision for you, for your child. Maybe it’s not being a pilot. Maybe it’s not being the next greatest artist or what have you. Maybe it’s not being a great piano player. But you don’t know. And if you send your child to school, and they are then stifled and basically are not permitted to pursue their passions but are instead forced to focus on things that in which they have zero interest, right, and taught that learning is hard, education is drudgery, and all of that, what you’re doing is you’re actually stifling the child. That’s the message. Those are the shackles that I’m talking about, that are intrinsic in our education system.

Rick:

Okay, I know we can’t do everything in 20 minutes. But clearly, we’ve laid out the problem, the challenge, but that there is a solution. So in our last few minutes, things to point people to, obviously the show, go watch School’s Out with Sam Sorbo, go to Epoch TV, go to the epictimes.com. In fact, we’ll have a week for schools out on the radio website today at wallbuilderslive.com to make it easy. But otherwise, just go to Epoch Times and look up Sam Sorbo and you’ll see her show there. But so watch this show on a weekly basis.

And then what else would you point them to? I always encourage people to just type in their state and homeschool association. So if you’re in Indiana, just type in Indiana Homeschool Association, not the right name, but it will bring up that group there. There’s lots of people out there ready to come alongside you in your state, literally in all 50 states. Where else would you point people to that are listening to this and going, wow, yeah, I’ve got to break this mold, I want to do this, but I need the tools?

Sam:

Yeah. Well, they can go to my website, samsorbo.com. I posted just a ton of videos on my YouTube channel as well, they’re under Accidental Homeschooler. And my podcasts, I cover some of this stuff. But you’re right. You go to your local organizations, you can go to the national organizations. HSL DA is a fabulous resource for people. Because first of all, you want to make sure that you’re not breaking the law. It is legal in all 50 states, but there are different ways of filing it for different states different requirements that are posted in different states.

Rick:

That’s right. Some states are super friendly and have great laws. Some, they make it difficult, but you can still do it.

Sam:

Right. Well, and I don’t know that there’s any state that actually makes it difficult. They just put up different hoops for you to jump through, depending on the state. And then what you really want to do is you want to seek out community. You want to find people who can cast a vision for you, including like meeting other people’s kids and stuff.

I know, for me, I’m doing a series of homeschool conferences that I’m hoping to take on the road pretty soon, just to try to cast this vision for families, for parents. If you’re pulling your kids out of school, I tell people give them a month off for every year of formal education that they’ve had, literally, just take the time off. You won’t lose that time. What you’ll be doing is you’ll be building relationship. You need to rebuild the trust between you and your child. There’s a lot more that goes into this, but it’s worth it.

And I will tell you this, and you know this, Rick, homeschooling is actually more about parenting than it is about education. And education is more about parenting than it is about the child’s education because children are naturally curious. And so if you can just tap into that curiosity, they will learn everything that they need.

Rick:

Love it, love it. I know we’re talking today kind of the personal level of each individual family and what parents want to do for their kid. But this fits into the whole essence of saving liberty, restoring liberty, restoring our country. I mean, this is where it’s at. In fact, you said that at the top of the program, just the fact that if you don’t get the education piece, right, I mean, all the problems we’re facing in the country are a result of a failure of the education piece. So just so thankful for what you’re doing. Sam, this is fantastic.

Samsorbo.com, Epoch, Epic, however you want to say it, Times on our epic TV is where you can watch the show. But go to Samsorbo.com for all Sam’s other materials as well. God bless you, Sam. You and Kevin are a blessing to this country. We appreciate all that you do. And I look forward to the next time we have you on.

Sam:

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Rick:

Boom! Didn’t even know we were going to get that. Alright, sounds good. And that’s…

Sam:

It’s a little promotion.

Rick:

Yeah, love it. I love it. Good stuff, Sam. God bless you all. Have a great day. And thanks for coming on.

Sam:

Thanks, Rick. That was Sam Sorbo. Check out Samsorbo.com today, or go straight to Epoch TV, and check out her new program there as well. We sure appreciate you being with us today. I want to spend our last couple of minutes together today talking about some more action steps. You know, we were obviously today talking about education and how important it is to instill these things in your kids, how important it is to pay attention to who’s influencing your children, where your children are spending their time. I mean, this is no longer something you can just go with whatever the formula was with previous generations.

We have to really think about this and say, in a purposeful way, what can I do to prepare my children for what lies ahead in our nation, in my particular state or community, or wherever you may live? It’s got to be a very intentional process. And so in addition to the big decision of are your kids going to learn at home, are you going to be sending them off to a public school or private school? I mean, in addition to that big decision, there’s some of the smaller decisions which are what are some specific tools I can just get my family involved in?

And as you know, I talk about it all the time here on the program, so important for us to allow our community to take part in this restoration of biblical values and constitutional principles. And for that to happen, somebody’s got to raise the banner. Someone in your community has to raise the banner. I promise you people are looking for a banner right now. They’re looking for a place to rally.

And what I mean by raising the banner is for you to say, hey, here, my Lord, send me. I will start a biblical citizenship class in my home. I will start a biblical citizenship class at my church. And I’ll get people to come together one night a week and just spend a couple of hours together talking about what we can do to restore liberty in this place. Biblicalcitizens.com is where you can go to sign up absolutely for free.

Become one of our Constitution coaches, start hosting that class and your community. I’m telling you, you will be blessed. The people in your community will be blessed. You can go to wallbuilders.com right now today and get the biblical citizenship course. You can get all kinds of tools and resources for the education that Sam was talking about today in your family, whether you want to do Foundation of Freedom or you want to look at some of those biographical stories. There’s just so many tools right there at wallbuilders.com. So just start studying folks.

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