The WHO – Biden – Fauci – And Chinese Connections Travis Weber – Who has control of the WHO? What are the Chinese connections with it? Are we in danger of turning our health decisions over to the WHO? Tune in to hear the answers to these questions and more with Travis Weber.
Air Date: 05/23/2022
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Alright, Tim, little later in the program, Travis Webber will be with us. We’re going to be talking about the WHO, WHO, that’s right, the WHO, the World Health Organization. And I was trying to remember, Tim, if it was who that we listened to more at the beginning of the pandemic are the CDC itself or Institutes of Health. I mean, all those alphabet soup organizations run together. But of course, for our listeners, the World Health Organization, that’s not a US agency, that’s literally a World Organization that the US has some input on. But we don’t call all the shots.
Yeah. And I mean, very much like NATO, where we pay the vast majority of any countries that are paying in, America pays by far, the biggest portion of NATO spending too. We pay by far the biggest portion of people paying into that. And yeah, just like NATO, they’re not American friendly. They are not pro-western values. They’re not pro-Christian, and conservative in much of what they do, or pretty much all of what they do.
It’s very similar with WHO. WHO has so many connections and affiliations with China, that when the COVID virus was coming out, and the WHO said oh, we’re going to investigate, but we’re going to wait a few months and we’re going to let them clean their labs first, we’re going to let them do what they need to do first. If you’re trying to investigate, you don’t let the cleaning crew come in and clean up the crime scene before you send your detectives in, then you send the cameras in. Like that is utterly insane. And yet, that’s exactly what was happening with the WHO in charge of this COVID mess.
Why would they let China clean up their labs? Because China’s the one largely responsible for helping orchestrate what WHO does. And the idea that President Biden is suggesting that they need to be the ones overseeing it health in America, Dr. Anthony Fauci has been nothing but a disaster in what he’s done. And the people who chose Dr. Fauci now in their list were saying, we are certainly even better Dr. Fauci, that’s the WHO, this is rapidly going down a dangerous slope the wrong direction.
It’s one of the things we are seeing yet again, under this leftist ideology of people trying to diminish America, to make America less significant in the world, to make America a smaller footprint, to not make America great again, to make America a little and insignificant in subservient to the desire and will of Europe or the rest of the world. And that’s just not who America is or supposed to be.
Yeah, been trying to get inside the minds of the Left, which is a dangerous place to be, but I just can’t understand why they feel this need to pull America down, to make sure that other countries are equal to us or it’s almost like they’re embarrassed about America’s greatness and strength over the decades. And I just can’t understand it. If you’re an American, why wouldn’t you want to maintain that? But for them, they really do just want this one world everybody’s equal, all systems are the same. I don’t know. Is it moral relativism brought into the world of foreign policy? I can’t put my finger on it.
Yeah, it’s an interesting thought when we look at the fact that so many of these leftist leaders are trying to make America look more like the countries that people coming across our southern border are fleeing from.
Right. This is one of the great ironies. It’s like, guys, the reason they’re coming to America is because America is not doing what those nations are doing that they left. And yet these leftist leaders say, yeah, but you know, we need to do things different. And a lot of it goes to some of these notions of the ‘Great Reset’, that we need to have a kind of a one world, a New World Order and there needs to be a ruling class of the world and all the nations kind of take their cues and do what they’re told. And so If you’re going to have a ruling elites of the world, you can’t have a big, strong nation at that point, all nations have to kind of be equal and they have to share equal. And so we have to take away from people that have and give to people that don’t have.
Even though, largely speaking, if you’re looking at a free market, if people have and don’t have, it’s based on what they have or have not done and it’s how they’ve been rewarded for their efforts or service for how they’ve served them and bless other people. That seems to escape most leftist. And so, this is absolutely the bizarre notions that are being promoted right now to diminish America, to make America less.
And it really is kind of falling into the lines of this New World Order of the great reset where you see even some of this, this ESG standards where America shouldn’t be energy independent; we need to have cut our reliance on any kind of technologies that are built with any kind of fossil fuel, things that advanced us, things that gives us heat in the winter, things that help us power our industry. And by the way, we are not against levels of clean energy, we just think let’s do some of the things that make sense with clean energy, like the nuclear power, things that you actually can do and get good power from as opposed to windmills or solar panels that are not effective and have been proven time and time and time again to not be effective.
Nonetheless, this is where you see people embracing ideologies that do not benefit America, that penalizes and hurts America. And now, going so far as to say that America shouldn’t be even be able to make their own health decisions, not even in states that every state needs to be subservient to the will of the World Health Organization.
I was thinking about what you said about how the very countries that people are fleeing, that’s the policies we’re trying to adopt. And just the other night we were doing this campfire revival thing with Kirk Cameron and he said the same thing. He said, I have friends that have come here from all kinds of other countries and they’re looking around and they’re going, wait a minute, I fled this, I left this kind of socialism and tyranny. Why would the greatest nation on the planet adopt these things? But that is exactly what the left is doing.
You know, Ben Shapiro says it this way, if you’re going to tear down these fences or walls that have been around forever, perhaps you should ask first why it was there. Even if it’s been beyond your memory, before you were around, you still ask before you tear it down and say, why was this put here in the first place? There might be a good reason for it. So many of our principles are exactly like that.
I mean, seems to me that and maybe it’s because the echo chamber in the circles we run in, but most people I talked to did not have an increase in respect for the “experts” and the agencies and the international organizations as a result of the response to COVID. They had a decrease and we are less likely to want those people to make decisions. And yet this administration seems to want to go further that direction, more control for not only government, but now an unaccountable international agency that isn’t even your government, not even somebody you could vote for. Talk about taxation without representation, how about regulation on your life without representation?
Well, I think, Rick, to your point, this is why the vast majority of Americans are not masking up anymore. Even though Dr. Fauci would still say, hey, it’s healthier for you, you should still mask up. I mean, you pretty much can see who has this point drawn to it. And obviously, I’m sure there’s people listening to us, I don’t mean to be offensive to you and maybe there are some underlying health issues. And for some people, maybe for them it makes sense to wear a mask. But what we know is that masks do not protect you from COVID and they don’t protect other people from you if you have COVID. So you can spread it and you can contract COVID having a mask.
And yet, even knowing that there are still people walking around double masking, and it just boggles my mind. I was going into Walmart and there was a Greeter at Walmart, he was double masks, but both of his masks were below his nose, and they’re like, oh! Like, you’re confusing the very notion, the narrative that you’re trying to buy into.
No, he’s protecting his chin. Tim, he’s protecting his chin. There’s something about the chin now that can’t be exposed.
Well, and I’m sure somebody’s going to say, well, it’s because he was talking that way, middle spit particles aren’t getting on people. Look, I get it. But again, the reality is so much of the advice we have from health experts has been confirmed over and over and over and over again to have been incorrect. In fact, even Dr. Fauci, if you back up 10 years, he was saying the best way to get an immunity to a disease is actually to contract the disease and survive. And now they’re saying, oh, we have to keep everybody from getting COVID when the survival rate is like 99%. That means like this is crazy.
And yet, again, to your point, we are now saying to the people that were telling us contradictory statement after contradictory statement over and over and over again are the people that we shouldn’t trust are future health policies too, it makes no sense at all.
Yeah, not at all. And of course, in this situation, because we’re dealing with an international agency and could potentially giving up some of our national sovereignty and ultimately, maybe some state sovereignty as well, we certainly want to look at it from that perspective and how this process is going to play out. So, Travis Weber is going to be with us when we come back from the break. He’s over at Family Research Council. Stay with us, folks, you’re listening to Walters life.
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Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us today. Travis Weber is with us, VP of Policy and Government Affairs over at our Friends Family Research Council. Travis, thanks for some time today, man.
So hot topic of the day is the WHO, the World Health Organization going to become the world’s health police as well. What’s up with these amendments that Biden is proposing? And how does this process work?
Yeah, so this is interesting. The Biden administration is proposing amendments to the International Health Regulations, some rules set forth by the World Health Organization that govern international health crises, pandemic responses and the like. This is obviously, you can understand how it’s a rising on the heels of COVID. But that’s more cause for concern. Because we have a major crisis worldwide like COVID, you should be aware of the pressures that creates to lock in changes, like what they’re looking at here.
And these changes, if locked in, would shift the balance of power between the World Health Organization and then states in the world stage member states, nations that are parties to it and nations of the world, it would shift the balance of power between those nations and the World Health Organization in favor of the World Health Organization in its oversight abilities in terms of the time that states are required to respond to the WHO, how much the WHO can look into what states are doing to respond to health crisis, often in the view of what the World Health Organization deems should be scrutinized or looked at, in terms of the relationship between the states and WHO.
So these are significant, the Biden administration has proposed to them, I think the American people need an explanation from the Biden administration on what it is proposing and why it is so important and why it feels these must be locked in and proposed now. These are the same in similar in substance to what is likely to develop out of international pandemic treaty that a process has been launched upon as well a little bit later in time. But there’s a pandemic treaty that’s going to start being considered and drafted to address what the WHO deems in issues that need to be addressed to post-COVID.
So this is also concerning in terms of the balance of power and the freedom of nations and the freedom of people in those nations and what they consent to. I mean, that’s what this is all about. That’s why we’re concerned about it. And I think people need to know about it.
So, Travis, I don’t know why anybody would be concerned. I mean, the WHO did such a bang up job during COVID. I mean, these suppose it experts, they didn’t have a misstep anywhere along the way. They were right from the beginning. They stop this thing, you know what, just a few weeks. I mean, this is insane that we would give more power to the people that absolutely mess this up every step of the way. What are they thinking?
Yeah, it makes no sense from that perspective. It makes no sense even absent what you just articulated, even absent that it makes no sense from their perspective of international governance and international law. We don’t need more unelected bureaucrats running decisions impacting everyone’s daily lives, yet that’s what this would do. And this is often hidden from the day to day concerns of people, but in the long term that’s what it should do.
Look, we have to recognize it’s understandable that people say, okay, let’s look at what happened with COVID and how do we trust that. I understand why people raise that question. But the answer is not to say let’s lock in longstanding rules changes here without any really public sort of debate on this. I mean, this is kind of happening, there isn’t any White House has been asked for it on the website, but I haven’t seen… it would be nice to have the media asked the White House why this is important, why this is important now, why they need to do this now. I’m not aware of that, I’d be happy to see it if that’s occur. But I’m not aware of that. And I think this deserves a public explanation.
Yeah, in fact, you mentioned the pandemic treaty that’s kind of already started to be floated out there. I mean, hopefully, there’s no way there’d be 67 senators that would sign off on this thing and give authority to an international agency like this, you know, give away our sovereignty in that way. But is Biden essentially trying to do an end run here and amend a previously adopted treaty? And can you even do that because it would not have gone before our Senate to be approved as the Constitution would require?
Yeah. So when you’re talking about the International Health Regulations, these are closer to internal rules to governing the way the World Health Organization operates with their own system and what has to happen to amend them. So they’re not a treaty, incomparable to other treaties and international law. But the problem with all this is that gives them there’s less scrutiny, less accountability. And I think the Biden administration almost owes more of an explanation for its proposed amendments to these rules that are then going to be debated in Geneva, Switzerland, starting next week by [inaudible 16:16] WHO.
And so in terms of how to change the rules, they might be following the internal processes. But it’s certainly an end run around accountability if they’re trying to avoid giving a public explanation about this, certainly an end run in that sense. And to the degree these are governing similar areas that a treaty will govern, it’s a reasonable and plausible argument to say it’s an end run around the international legal mechanisms that we should use as well because a treaty would govern the same area as a treaty is entered into it and signed by the executive branch in the United States, but given advice and consent by the Senate, which formally makes the tree law and then it’s comparable to statute passed by Congress.
That would be the case if we looked at the pandemic treaty and the US wants to take part in the pandemic treaty, but not the case with these regulations. But if the same issues are being discussed in both, what do you have? You have something of an end run.
Yeah. And that’s the real danger, you know, if it does lead to the pandemic treaty. I mean, look, Article VI essentially puts treaties on par with the Constitution itself as a supreme law of the land and basically trumps all state laws on this kind of stuff.
Yeah, no, treaties, the Constitution still trumps, right. So even when we have a perfectly valid treaty, it’s similar to a statute passed by Congress, which the Constitution also trumps, right, so a constitutional right will trump a treaty associated federal law that’s connected to treaty and also a statute. But generally, under the Constitutions doctrine of federal supremacy, generally, yeah, these will trumps state laws. Now if you get really in the weeds legally and things can be fought out in some areas of law. But this is a concern. This is why the Senate needs to give advice in that sense, right.
And so yes, with these regulations where the Senate is not involved, where you don’t have Article one involved at all, you have the Article two branch, the administration engaging directly with the WHO, we just need to know what’s going on here.
And this also brings up the question of authority and jurisdiction on pandemics in general and healthcare itself. I mean, we should be going the opposite direction of what happened over the last two years, the Fed shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Instead, we’re going the direction of even a higher to international power and authority. This should be a state issue. And it just seems like nobody’s even talking about that. Who has authority when it comes to these health cares? I mean, we got a lot of educating to do.
Yeah, I mean, there’s a question about sort of philosophical question about what level of government to address this at. Certainly, here, you’ve got major concerns with how much power is being ceded to people. We don’t even know who they are, right, bureaucrats associated to WHO. And the point is, that’s disconnected. There’s a major separation, major distance, lack of accountability because of that distance between the people making the decisions and the people’s lives those decisions are affecting those people in the United States.
Yeah, absolutely. Travis, appreciate it, man. Thanks for all your good work over at Family Research Council. Look forward to having you back soon.
Stay with us, folks. That was Travis Weber. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.
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We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Travis Weber for joining us as well. Back with Tim Barton. Tim, obviously, the process here there’s things that the administration can do with these international agencies. But there is a constitutional stopgap here where I mean, if the Senate doesn’t approve this thing with 67 votes, you can’t call it a treaty, you can’t give it any power over states.
So hopefully, we can stop it there. But who knows, you remember how we thought more people would stand up against the fearmongering, there may be enough senators that would say, yeah, we’re so worried about a future pandemic, we’re willing to give this up. And then it’s going to be the governors that have to fight against this.
It will. And I really appreciate the point too that you just highlighted but that was also identified is this doesn’t have the same standing as constitutional law. And in our Constitution, it’s very clear on where sovereignty lies. It’s also very clear that the states have rights, it’s in the minutes of the Constitution says that whatever was not explicitly given to the federal government in the Constitution belongs to the state. And this is certainly something that would fall in those states’ rights categories.
I think if it was something that came down, where the WHO was saying, hey, we’re shutting all of America down, certainly depending on the leader you have will make a difference. I think if you had a Donald Trump or a Ron DeSantis as president at that time, they would tell the WHO where they could go and what they could do in that time. You are not the president of America. You are not the king over America. You don’t rule over what we do and how we navigate our lives here in America.
But if you have a leader like a Joe Biden, if you’re a leader like a Kamala Harris, or an Obama or some of these leftists today, absolutely, I could see them saying, hey, we’re going to do everything I say. And then they would use their presidential power and authority to say we’re going to follow the WHO. Now, again, I think the good news is you would have some states that would have challenges to this and there would be very good grounds for constitutional challenges.
And given the current makeup of the court, with even some of the things we’re very hopeful, prayerful, anticipating some of these decisions coming out this summer that’ll be very positive for restoring even more levels of religious liberty, for restoring some basic constitutional freedoms, Second Amendment freedom, etc, maybe even helping remove this notion of the federal government having a constitutional right to abortion are being protected and enshrined in the Constitution, with so many positive things expecting to come to summer, it’s very reasonable to imagine that these same individuals would likely fall on the side of recognizing that the WHO does not have the power to govern America.
With that being said, the challenge then still falls back to what leader do we have in that moment. And we have emphasized time and time and time again, this is why elections matter. And there are consequences to who we choose as our leaders. And what we’re even seeing now, there’s primaries going on in states, and you have generals coming up, who are you choosing in your state? And who is chosen in the general election makes a difference.
And some people I understand are thinking, wait a second, but voter fraud, and there’s all these issues, our votes don’t even really matter anymore. No, your vote absolutely does matter. And you need to show up and vote. You need to do the right thing, even if the other side is cheating, you still need to do the right thing. That’s a given.
With that being said, in midterm elections, off year elections when there’s a low voter turnout expected, certainly, if you show up, you can win some of these seats on a state level and from the state level then you can get involved in securing elections in those states to help secure elections for future to make sure that we have the right kind of leadership we need so that we can have a strong military, we can have a strong nation, that we’re not turning our sovereignty over to some international court somewhere. We’re saying no, in America, we’re doing different because this is what our constitution says, we follow the principles of the Declaration. We definitely need to make sure that we are engaging in a process. So we choose the right kind of leader so we don’t have these debacle of fiascos like we’re seeing under the Biden administration where they’re literally just trying to give American power and American sovereignty away.
Yeah. And are you talking about a contrast when you say elections matter. I mean, let’s not forget Donald Trump pulled us out of the WHO. He said we’re done. You guys are basically bought and paid for by the Chinese. We’re pulling out. And then of course, Joe Biden on day two in office went right back in and just a very big difference in terms of either making America strong and great again and independent and sovereign versus wanting to be a part of the world, trying to get a nice way to say this. I mean, yeah, it’s literally moving towards a one world order is what they would like. And they even say those things. But it’s literally like they want to be part of the world club. And that’s more important to them than making America strong. Very, very big difference, and it plays out in these kinds of policies.
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