Trump’s Performance Thus Far Analyzed From A Christian Perspective

Trump’s Performance Thus Far Analyzed From A Christian Perspective:  Today’s show is a “report card” if you will, of the White House’s performance over the past 15 months and how the Christian community is responding to that. What do evangelicals think about Trump’s job as president? The “victories” are almost too many to keep track of!  We’re well into Trump’s presidency and as the adage goes, the proof is in the pudding. Tune in now to learn more!

Air Date: 07/10/2018

Guest: Tim Wildmon

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we’re talking about the day’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. We always look at those things from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Tim Barton’s with us, national speaker and pastor, and president of WallBuilders. My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state legislator.

You can find out more about us and the program at our two websites, WallBuildersLive.com, that’s the radio website. And then WallBuilders.com, that’s our organization’s website with a lot of great tools and resources for you and your family. So, check out those two websites today – WallBuilders.com and WallBuildersLive.com.

Later in the program, Tim Wildmon will be with us from the American Family Association. Going to be talking about some of the things that are happening in D.C. right now and almost like a report card for how the White House is doing over the last 15 months or so and how the Christian community is responding to that. How are evangelicals Responding to Trump’s job as president?

David, Tim, I’ve lost count at the good news programs. We brought up action items by the White House and what this president has done for our agenda. When I say “our agenda” I mean a constitutional conservative biblical worldview perspective. David, you’ve got a list. I think you’re up over a hundred different specific things that are big victories.

David:

Well, I quit keeping that list a few months ago because it was just going too fast literally. There was just too many things in the news. Even on a recent Good News Friday program, the whole- we had three Good News Friday’s in a row that were pretty much dominated by good news from Trump administration. Whether it be Supreme Court rulings, the position the Trump administration took,  whether be what was happening with job and economy, that we have the lowest unemployment in 50 years. We now for the first time in decades have more jobs than we have people looking for jobs.

Plenty of Good News

David:

It just was like nonstop. Where do we go with this? We’re seeing 22 regulations repealed for every one that’s coming in. So, whatever kind of direction you want to look there was plenty of good news.

And in talking to George Barna it is interesting that the evangelical support for Trump was very high back in the election, but it has done nothing but grow since that point in time. So, clearly– you know we used to say the proof is in the pudding. You taste it to find out if it’s any good or not. People over the last nearly two years now have been very pleased from the perspective, Rick, that you put out again of a biblical worldview constitutional conservative perspective. There’s just a lot of growing support and that’s why his approval numbers are rising right now.

Rick:

Now wait, wait, wait. I know sometimes we have some some jaw dropping information on this program we learn things about the founders, and history, and law, that we’ve just never heard and people love that. But you just said something that I have to admit I did not know the source of and I’ve used the expression, I’ve heard it many times. The proof is in the pudding. I think we should do a program just on these kind of idiom type things.

David:

That would be fun. Yeah, there’s a lot there that would shock people if they knew where it came from. That’d be a fun program.

Rick:

So, you mean proof is in the pudding, that means literally mama made some pudding and the proof about whether or not it is good is when you taste it?

David:

Yeah. She says, “Oh this is gonna be great. Well, the proof is in the pudding. We’ll taste it and see if it’s going to be great.

The Proof is in the Pudding

Rick:

So, we’ve got a new president, the proof is in the pudding. We’re finding out now based on the policies, based on the the laws, based on the appointments, the decisions, we’re getting the proof.

David:

We’re tasting it and we’re liking the taste that we’re getting out of this from judicial nominees through everything else going on.

Rick:

Well, I think you’re right. I think it’s just continuing to improve. We saw a lot of good stuff early on in the administration in terms of first appointments that were coming through. But then the judicial appointments over the last year there’s a lot of really good stuff.

And Tim Wildmon was one of those guys – I remember the summer of the election that I remember talking to him and him saying alright, guys, what do you think? We’re down to it’s gonna be either Trump or Hillary. So, we’ve got to make a decision and decide how we’re going to support. And he one of the guys that really got involved in and vocally was involved in supporting the president. Now is involved in some of these groups of folks that they go to the White House and go to Washington and get to kind of see firsthand and talk some of the people that are on the ground right there. So, Tim’s going to share some of his reaction to what’s been going on and what other people are saying on the ground as well.

Tim Wildmon our special guest from American Family Association. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Alexis De Tocqueville, a political official from France, traveled to the United States in 1831 and penned his observations in the now famous book, “Democracy In America.”

Being from France, what he found in America was completely unexpected to him. He reported, “Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention. And the longer I stayed there the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found that they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country.”

Did Tocqueville recognized that it was Biblical Christianity and the morals it produced that made America great? For more information about Alexis Tocqueville and the positive influence of Christianity in early America go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live! Tim Wildmon back with us president of American Family Association – Tim, always good to have you, bro.

Tim Wildmon:

Hey Rick good to be back with you.

Rick:

Hey, tell me about this there’s a gathering of conservative organizations in D.C.. And just sort of the– let’s talk update on President Trump. Have we still got his ear? Is he still listening to the folks in our circles?

Tim Wildmon:

Oh, absolutely. He is listening to Christian groups and to conservative groups. We know, and maybe you guys do too, we have talked about this, you and I, much, but we know that right near the top at White House are people who share our values and understand the conservative movement and understand who the Christian community is in this country and what we believe and why we stand for what we do. So, we’re very pleased to have friends in high places, so to speak. That neighbor never hurts. Of course, you’ve got Vice President Pence there. He’s an evangelical himself.

Not Just Good

Rick:

Well, and you pointed out in your article on call to D.C. on the AFA.net website that that was one of the things that made you first start getting really comfortable with the idea that Trump might be a good president.

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah.

Rick:

Same for me. Once he named Pence it was like, okay, here’s a guy that most of the time has been, frankly, great.

Tim Wildmon:

Right.

Rick:

Not just good, but great.

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah, no absolutely. When President Trump picked Vice President Pence that raised my comfort level. Because I was thinking to myself, well, here’s a gentleman who has a New York playboy lifestyle and yet he wants to be shadowed every day by a Bible believing Christian. Why would he want that?

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

Unless he’s changed as a person from a President Trump, then Candidate Trump. So, that’s sort of convinced me that he had changed as a person. When that change happened and by change, Donald Trump is not the person he used to be in terms of his lifestyle. And now, he still has some of the same– I guess some bad habits are hard to change. That is, he reacts emotionally to something that probably is not the best thing for a president to do. But on the other hand, a lot of people like it.

Friends in the White House

Tim Wildmon:

But I think, to answer your question, we’ve got some friends there in the White House that are looking out for our best interest on a lot of different issues and I’m very pleased about that.

Rick:

You point out in the article he– the people that are around him a lot say there’s a seriousness there that’s different.

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah.

Rick:

There’s almost a different– he realizes– In fact, you say in the article he’s an old school patriot.

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah.

Rick:

He genuinely realizes what’s at stake right now.

Tim Wildmon:

He is definitely. That’s how I describe him. Donald Trump is old school patriotic, or an old school patriot. He remembers America that basically boomed economically and so many advances were made in our society in the last 40 years that were due to a free enterprise system, due to less government regulation, due to a love for country. And so I think the president understands all those things and tries to incorporate those in his administration. And I think the reason he’s hated so vehemently by the left in this country, and even by some Republican establishment types and the media in Hollywood, is because evidently he’s doing stuff right now because he’s drawn so much hatred from the left.

Rick:

Yeah.

15-16 Months In

Tim Wildmon:

So, it’s just a thing we definitely need to– like I say in the article, with any presidential administration you’re going to get some good, you’re going to get some bad, but you just hope that it’s more good than bad. And I say right now, judging or giving him a report card right now, that he has done a lot, lot, more good than he has bad for our country and for the conservative movement.

Rick:

Well, you read my mind. That’s exactly what I was going to ask you. Okay, here we are what 15-16 months into this and how would you rate what he’s done so far compared to what you hoped or thought that he might?

Tim Wildmon:

I think you’ve got to give him an A. Maybe not an A+, but I’ve got to give him an A for effort. He’s dealing with a Senate they won’t change their rules. And so if you’re not going to change your rules and allow for a majority to pass legislation, you’ve got the 60 vote filibuster rule, you can’t get anything passed.

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

You just can’t. You can’t get anything passed. And so the Republicans are for that. The Democrats block everything. So, if you’re going to have that then the president can either can do so much from his office, from his– unless you’re Barack Obama of course then you’ve got a pen, and a phone, and you can do anything you want.

Rick:

Right.

Tim Wildmon:

But constitutionally, you’re not supposed to more than you’re allowed to do. And President Trump is trying to do everything he can from an executive branch side to follow through with his promises.

Rick:

Well, when you say “A” I assume that’s not even in context of what we thought we would get from him. That’s just in terms of raw data of what he’s done. When you put it in context of we didn’t know for sure, we were all kind of hoping half as bad as Hillary and not as bad as her–

What People Don’t Realize

Tim Wildmon:

Right.

Rick:

–but half good half bad. When you put it in the context of what we kind of expected, man oh man, it’s  far better, certainly, than I expected.

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah. People don’t realize that the president controls the executive branch of the government. You’re talking about the Justice Department, you’re talking about the Environmental Protection Agency, you’re talking about federal courts, you’re talking about OCEA, you’re talking about just so much that the president makes appointments on people who oversee– the CIA, who oversees these agencies. And these agencies– the IRS, for example.

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

We were learning with President Obama’s administration. We’re learning cases where they were weaponizing these agencies that the executive branch oversaw and they were using them against conservatives and the conservative cause. Of course, you would expect that from a liberal president. But I think President Trump has tried his best, and he’s been met with resistance all along the way, to put people in charge of these agencies that are conservative and who are going to turn back these attacks against us.

One of the Most Surprising Things

Rick:

I think those appointments you’re talking about right there, that’s what probably has surprised me the most. Because even previous presidents that I liked, or presidents that I knew, they were generally 50/50 because of the apparatus that’s there and the people that get recommended.

Tim Wildmon:

That’s why they call it the swamp.

Rick:

Yeah, it is the swamp and yet this guy somehow, God’s favor, the people that have been put in place, and surrounding him, and making the recommendations–

Tim Wildmon:

Yes.

Rick:

–these appointments are better than anything I could have dreamed. And it’s just amazing to me that he has pulled that off.

Tim Wildmon:

Yes. And he does pretty good. What, is he 71 now?

Rick:

Yes, 71-72 71.

Tim Wildmon:

71 and on a big Mac a day diet. I don’t know when he sleeps. Maybe from what 11 to three–

Rick:

I don’t know.

Tim Wildmon:

11-four.

Rick:

He’s hard to keep up with.

The People Surrounding Him

Tim Wildmon:

The energy level of that guy is just amazing to me. And he’s hired John Bolton. He’s recently, you know, Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. I’m hearing great things about the federal judges that he’s appointing–

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

–along the way. He’s doing so much right. And of course, a lot of that is the people he surrounds himself with. He does– I don’t care who you are, not one person could keep up with all of this stuff. And you have to depend on hiring the right people around you so that they can give you good advice. And I think that for the most part he’s been able to do that.

Rick:

Yeah, no doubt about it. No doubt about it. Well, man, appreciate your article and we’ll be sharing that today at WallBuildersLive.com. And keep us posted as you keep your report card. We’ll keep having you come in and let us know how he’s doing on a regular basis.

Tim Wildmon:

Well, I think we need prayer for President Trump, Vice President Pence–

Rick:

Yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

–and their administration because they are all that stand between us and I don’t know what you call it – almost anarchy–

Rick:

Yeah.

Dangerous Rhetoric

Tim Wildmon:

–that these leftist are for. You can see here they’re verbally and physically intimidating people.

Rick:

That’s right.

Tim Wildmon:

These people don’t believe in God. I’m talking about the secular progressives. They don’t believe in God, they have no fear of God. They don’t even have any fear of law and order.

Rick:

That’s right.

Tim Wildmon:

It’s a– you saw what happened to Steve Scalise last year, he got shot, all these congressmen could have gotten killed. The rhetoric the left is using is dangerous.

Rick:

It is and you could tell the lack of belief in God just by the way they treat others and shout each other down.

Tim Wildmon:

Oh yeah. They booed God–

Rick:

Yeah, yeah.

Tim Wildmon:

–at the Democratic Convention in Charlotte four years, or eight years ago. So, these people have lost any sense of decency –  not all of them, but a lot of them have. They view they view people who disagree with them as the enemy in the sense that we’re Nazis. So, that’s how they’re framing everything.

Rick:

It is. Well, you said, Tim, pray for him. It’s so important that we do that.

Tim Wildmon:

Oh yeah.

Pray, Pray, Pray

Rick:

And pray that he, and Pence, and all those in the administration–

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah.

Rick:

–maintain the backbone they’ve got right now too. Because, as you mentioned in the article, they are under relentless attack 24/7, it doesn’t stop.  

Tim Wildmon:

Yeah.

Rick:

So be praying for them to have courage in that, and safety, and all of those things. It should be a daily thing for all of us.

Tim Wildmon:

Alright, Rick.

Rick:

Alright, brother, appreciate you coming on again.

Tim Wildmon:

Thank you. Bye, bye.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We’ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Constitution Alive

Have you ever wanted to learn more about the United States Constitution but just felt like, man, the classes are boring or it’s just that old language from 200 years ago or I don’t know where to start? People want to know. But it gets frustrating because you don’t know where to look for truth about the Constitution either.

Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. It’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the Cradle of Liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders’ library where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

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Rick:

Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Tim Wildmon for being with us as well. AFA.net is where you can find out more about American Family Association and also you can listen to American Family Radio there at AFR.net.

So, back with David and Tim Barton now and, guys, what do you think? Tim, you’re hearing things on the ground sometimes from younger Christian community type folks. What are they saying about a response to Trump? They weren’t initially on board.

What About the Never Trumpers?

Tim:

No, I think it depends a lot on where their biblical ideology and philosophy was to begin with. There’s still a lot of never Trumpers that are only seeing the negative things that the media highlights. And they’re seeing the tweets and going, “Oh my gosh.” I thought Tim Wildmon made a great point that Donald Trump does not automatically change the core of who he is. He has a core of great people around him like Mike Pence who made us all feel really good when he got there.

But Trump still does some stuff that makes us go, “Oh, don’t only like that.” And I think because of it there are some things on a surface level that are very unappealing to people. But then there are a lot of dishonesty in reporting that has kept a lot of the younger generation from being able to be as supportive as they would be if they knew kind of the rest of the story as, Paul Harvey used to say.

And so just kind of a point in case – if you look at the immigration issue I think a lot of younger people are under the impression that Trump is the one intentionally separating families, that Trump is doing something that no other president has ever done, that he has policies that are so bad. They don’t recognize, wait a second, these policies were in place under Obama.

And actually, George Bush passed policies similar to these and that actually Bill Clinton passed policies that included separating families at the border. The problem is the media just never reported on it on a level like they are now with Trump. Even though if you backup to 2014 under President Obama there were people in holding cells and articles from even the New York Times talked about these were not livable conditions for human beings. They were that bad and yet the media didn’t want to report on it.

And not to say that there’s not some level of responsibility for Trump because I certainly would acknowledge, look, it doesn’t matter who messed up before you. If you’re the leader now you can’t blame the previous president for eight years like we’ve had other administrations do. No–

Rick:

Right.

Where the Responsibility Lies

Tim:

–you can’t just say, “Well, it’s their fault.” No, you are the leader now. Here’s the problem you have. And so now you’re the one responsible for fixing it. So, certainly I’m not trying to shift the blame, but it’s just the dishonesty of the media that they’re not– the media doesn’t report and say, “Hey, we have a problem that needs to be solved.” They say, “Trump is evil because he’s done this.” Well, that’s just dishonest and disingenuous. And you’re not trying to report truth, you’re trying to report a sensational headline that’s going to be more divisive. Because so many young people don’t know what the truth of situations actually are, they see these headlines and go, “Oh my gosh.”

Now, with that being said, ones that dig a little deeper than just the headlines, especially for the young people that we work with that understand biblical position, and they see what happened with Israel, and what Trump has done to support Israel, and be a friend of Israel. And they see that Trump is pro-life, and they see things that are more value core and I think they are very much supportive. But there’s no doubt that he is a guy and– you and Tim, Rick, you all mentioned that with every president there have been issues and you haven’t been able to fully support anything any president did. Which by the way, we never will because every president is human, right”? There is a reason Jesus came – nobody’s perfect. We get that.

Rick:

That’s right.

Learning to Dig Deeper

Tim:

But the media is really, really, pushing the polarization of the nation. And it’s just, it’s tough, I think, for a lot of young people to see that. But again, like the ones we’re working with at High Point, the ones we work with at our leadership training program, and the ones at Patriot Academy, the ones who know to dig deeper and don’t just accept whatever the headline tells you. The ones who dig deeper can see and go, no, there’s actually some really great things that are happening. And by the way, they also can point to things that Trump has actually done wrong and say, “No, that was wrong and shouldn’t have done it.

So, we’re not giving Trump a blanket path either. But certainly there is some positive thought from the younger generation when they learn to dig deeper because if you can pursue truth you can find out there’s a lot more to the story than just what the headline says.

Rick:

Yeah, that’s so good. So good. David, I know you want to respond to that. Let’s take a quick break. We’ll be right back. Stay with us, folks. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Leadership Training Program

Rick:

Hey, friends! We’ve got a great program to share with you today. It’s the WallBuilders Leadership Training Program and it’s an opportunity for 18 to 25 year olds to come spend two weeks diving into the original documents we’re always talking about here on WallBuilders Live.

Tim, you’ve already been doing this a couple of summers and seen the results of young people coming to this program. We’re going to see more of them coming this year.

Tim:

Yeah, Rick, it’s something that’s been cool to see the transformation with young people coming in. The emphasis, for us, largely is a pursuit of truth. We have a culture that doesn’t know what truth is. We don’t know what biblical truth is, or constitutional truth, or the American heritage that we have. And so we really dive into original documents and say, “Well, what did they actually write? What did they actually do? Not just what did somebody say, what is actually true, and the truth is what’s transformational.

David:

Yeah, guys. This really is a remarkable opportunity. And for those who want to spend time with us and spend time in the original documents, this is a great program. So, if you’re from 18 to 25, or you know someone who’s 18 to 25, send them to sign up for one of our three sessions this summer at WallBuilders.com/leadershiptraining.

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live! Thanks for staying with us. And, Tim, you were just talking about the difference in people’s response to Trump being very much what their worldview was going into this situation. It affects how they see all the things that are happening. And I am assuming, David, that that’s probably true not just with the young people that we’re working with in all those different programs that Tim mentioned, but  population in general. Depending on what your worldview was at the beginning of this affects very much how you see the victories or defeats.

Unless You Run According to the Rules

David:

Sure it does. It affects a lot of it. But still, with that worldview like Tim Wildmon said he gives him an A as a grade so far and I would too. And I thought Tim made several points that deal more with process. And to me, process is always a really big deal. In Timothy we’re told you don’t get crowned unless you run according to the rules. And one of the comments that Tim made, he said, “Trump is not an activist president.”

Tim:

Can I interrupt for a second? So, this might be a little confusing because we interviewed Tim Wildmon–

Rick:

Oh, we keep saying “Tim”, right.

Tim:

And now we’re talking about the book of Timothy.

David:

Good point. Good point.

Tim:

And I am also Timothy. So, just understand there’s a lot of Timothy’s out there right now.

Rick:

Yeah.

David:

Tim Wildmon, Tim Wildmon said that he wasn’t an active president and I agree totally. And that was really a surprise for me. I thought he would be because as a CEO of all these billion dollar corporations, a CEO is an activist, that’s how they get stuff done. So, the fact he’s not an activist has been huge. Talked even about Tim Wildmon said no one person can oversee all this. Trump has depended on those around him. He has surrounded himself with really good people from the Mike Pences that we mentioned earlier.

But even I remember back in the Bush administration Bush was truly an evangelical. George W. Bush was. But you could never get evangelicals around them because Karl Rove took control and cut them out. And I was talking to a bunch of leaders last week who are with the president about once a week. They’re evangelicals, and he has them in, and they pray together, and he talks to them, and he wants their input on the Supreme Court nominee. And the access that evangelicals have to Trump right now is unprecedented. And I don’t think anyone saw that coming.

So, I look at a lot of what’s going on in the inside and that’s really big stuff to me to see process changes like that.

Rick:

Yeah, that’s a big positive that most people don’t see. That’s behind the scenes kind of thing in terms of that access because that’s going to influence the decisions that are made. Especially, even like you mentioned, the Supreme Court pick. So, so much there in terms of that report card that I think we have to be thankful for and be positive about. As Tim Barton mentioned and Tim Wildmon both, no president’s going to be perfect.

Trump’s Performance Thus Far Analyzed From A Christian Perspective

Rick:

Nobody we put in office are we going to be 100 percent happy with, but let’s just be so thankful for the positives that we have right now. And just think how different it could have been had things gone different or had he not, President Trump not, surrounded himself with a lot of the people that he did. So, there’s a whole lot to be thankful for.

Thanks again to Tim Wildmon for joining us today and being on the program. You can go to AFA.net for more information about American Family Association. Thank you for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.

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