U.S. House Sends Three Major Appropriations Bills To Trump’s Desk: We call it Good News Friday because it’s a chance for David and Tim to share some good news from across the nation and around the world. In this episode, we talk about how the U.S. House sends three major appropriations bills to Trump’s desk! How Massachusetts Republican beats trans driver”€™s license bill! That Millennials are credited with falling divorce rates! And more!

Air Date: 10/12/2018

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture


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We’re really glad you’re with us today. It’s Friday. That’s Good News Friday around here at WallBuilders, and it”€™s a chance for David and Tim to catch us up on a lot of the good things that have been happening, things you just don’t hear reported in the major media. So let’s dive into it.

David, first piece of good news.

Why Have There Been So Many Government Shutdowns?


I’m going to Washington D.C, and we’re going to talk about some money there. So let me ask you guys some general questions.

Why is it that, in recent years, we’ve had more government shutdowns than we’ve ever had at any point in our history?


It”€™s mostly related to funding, where the House and the Senate could not agree on what was supposed to be done. The President, the House, and the Senate are supposed to do budgets. I know, before President Trump, the Obama Administration didn’t produce a budget, maybe they produced a budget once? You”€™ll need to clarify that.

I think they didn’t produce any budgets because there was so much controversy getting things done in Congress and the Capitol building.

It was political issues, more than anything else, where there were some things they didn’t want funded and some things that were tax cuts or removing funding for certain issues. It was very much politically driven, and it related to the fact people weren’t producing the budgets they were supposed to produce, or work together to get things resolved.

They continued making resolutions that said, “€œWe”€™ll just keep paying for everything we’ve always paid for, and then we don’t have to do a budget.”€


That’s generally right, from the 30,000 foot view. But let me take it a little deeper. Kind of a mini civics lesson here: What’s the difference between budgeting and appropriating?

How Federal Funding Works


You got, at the federal level, the Ways and Means Committee that typically comes up with how they’re going to spend the money—


Actually, Ways and Means is taxing. The taxpayers bringing in the revenue side, that’s the taxing side.


So then who actually does the budgeting?


That”€™s the Budget Committee.

So back to what happens on budgeting.

They say, “€œWe’re going to say that you can spend 4 trillion this year,”€ or whatever it is. Then appropriations comes in and says, “€œOK here’s how we’ll spend it.”€ this is what appropriations takes and matches.


So budgeting is really just saying, “€œHere’s the gross amount you’ve got.”€


That’s right. It has to go through budgeting first, and then it comes to appropriations. So budget says, “€œHere’s the boundaries of the ballpark we’re going to be playing this game in.”€


So the budgeting committee is my wife. She says, “€œRick, you get this much to spend this month.”€


That”€™s it, but now you get to decide how you want to appropriate it.


OK gotcha.

Omnibus Bills


So when it goes to the Appropriations Committee then there are 12 subcommittees, and the entire operation of the federal government is broken down into 12 subcommittees. Each one appropriates for whatever their jurisdiction is. And any idea what some of those subcommittees are?


This is on the on the appropriations side?




Don’t they have a subcommittee for all the different agriculture, military, and other major spending areas like that?


Generally yes, but they throw some cabinet level stuff together. For example, there’s an appropriation bill for agriculture. There’s one for Commerce, Justice, (Commerce and Justice are two Cabinet departments) Commerce Justice Science and other agencies. There’s one purely for Defense. There is an appropriation bill purely for Energy and Water Development.

There is an appropriation bill for financial services and general government operations. There’s an appropriation bill for Homeland Security, and one for Interior, and one for Labor and HHS (and again that’s two Cabinet levels put together.)

So they’ve got 12 of these things that come through, and what happens is if you don’t get those 12 done, then you come up with an omnibus bill where you throw everything together. If you don’t pass everything that’s in that bill then you shut the government down.

The Senate Hasn”€™t Followed the Law in 10 Years

This is where, particularly Democrats, got hate crimes for lesbians and homosexuals attached to the defense bill. Nobody wanted to vote against defense and shut the military down, so they end up voting for it. Then earlier this year that’s how they got Planned Parenthood through. They put the Planned Parenthood funding on the Military Defense Bill.

Guys are now facing, “€œI either vote against the military, or vote against Planned Parenthood.”€  So it’s a tough call. These guys don’t want to defund the military, but they sure as heck don’t want to fund Planned Parenthood.


It sure doesn’t make sense that those two things have to be tied together. If we’re voting on the military, let’s vote on the military.


That’s right. But you only get that done if you have an appropriation bill.

So here’s the way it works.

The budget says, “€œWe’re going to spend X number of dollars,”€ then they send it to the Appropriations Committee. The Appropriations Committee goes through these 12 different funding bills—12 different spending bills, if you will—And then the Senate has to do the same thing.

Then, after the House and Senate do it, they get together and they send it to the President. The President signs it, and that’s where you get the money for running the government.

But it has been 10 years since the U.S. Senate has sent an appropriation bill out of its body, 10 years. They’re required by federal law to do this each session.

So the Senate has not followed the law in 10 years.

The Senate Has Now Passed 3 out of 12 Bills

The good news is we just had three of the 12 bills sent to the president’s desk, which means the Senate actually did something. The House has been doing this for a good while now, they”€™ve been turning in Appropriation Bills.

The House got frustrated for a while and said, “€œMy gosh, why are we turning them out if the Senate is not going to do anything? It’s a waste of time and takes months off our calendar.”€

So they get frustrated, but nonetheless the House has been doing what federal law requires. The Senate has not. But, finally, we now have three Appropriation Funding Bills that made it to the President’s desk.

Why Things are Changing


Do we have any idea, David, what the catalyst was to finally get that done? What changed?


I think part of it is just the pressure. A lot of Republicans got fed up, and they have started reinterpreting the Senate rules in such a way that they can stop this nonsense. The Democrats tried delaying tactics on every single thing. The Republicans have made it very public.

Trump has made an issue out of it, the House has been pounding on this, they’re starting to get some public attention, and the government shutdowns. Quite frankly, Trump had enough guts to say, “€œGo and shut down the government again. It”€™s fine with me.”€

All the other Presidents would always blink because they felt like they would get blamed for people not getting their Social Security check.

And Trump told them, “€œGo ahead. I don’t care. I’m going to tell the whole world that it was the Senate that did this.”€

Then suddenly it’s like, “€œOh, we don’t want that pressure.”€

So he really did call their bluff and exercised some leadership there, kind of put them on notice, that they’re going to be the ones to get the blame and not him. Regardless of how it came about, internal pressure, external pressure, whatever, the good news is for the first time in ten years we get these three sides funded without having to go to an omnibus bill where you throw everything in there and can’t stop anything.


Good news. They’re actually doing their job! Surprise, surprise!

Stay with us folks for more good news when we come back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live, it is Good News Friday.

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A Republican in Massachusetts?!


We’re back, and we have a lot of good news for Good News Friday today. Tim Barton has the next piece of good news. Where we going Tim?


Alright, up in Massachusetts, there was actually a pretty interesting bill that came up. I guess in the last term, the last session, whatever we call that. It actually was something related to adding some new genders to the license in Massachusetts. This obviously is kind of the way culture is moving, that we’re going to recognize different genders and you have to give equality. The problem is there are an awful lot of genders now to be recognized. There was a Republican who recognized kind of—


Wait a minute,what state did you say?


This is Massachusetts.


You said a Republican?


He might be the only one.


We should check the endangered species list, he may be on it. Maybe he gets federal protection being endangered. He definitely is on the endangered species list in Massachusetts.

“€œWe Need to Vote on all 73″€


Yeah, we probably could spend some time trying to figure out how he got elected as a Republican in Massachusetts. Nonetheless, one of the things he brought up, which is a very valid point, in Massachusetts they wanted to change the documentation. I think they wanted to put an X on the driver’s license to signify that there are other genders apart from male and female.

He said, “€œWhoa, wait a second, isn’t that actually being a little bigoted and discriminating? Shouldn’t we recognize the gender?”€

Which actually is a very valid argument. If you’re going to change it, don’t you have to give full equality to every one of the genders?

There are 73 recognized genders that he pointed out, this isn’t the last day of their session apparently when this is happening.

He says, “€œWe need to vote on each one of these issues.”€

So he brought up all 73 genders, and said, “€œWe need to vote on every single one of them.”€


So instead of just having an X on your license that means neither male nor female—


Because you would be discriminating, right? Against the bisexual, and transgender, and you’d be discriminated against—he goes through all 73.

And the other side recognizes, “€œWait a second, this is going to take up the entire last day. We don’t have time for this, because you actually are required to give it a certain amount of time for each specific change you are making. Both sides have time to debate so that people can talk about it before the vote.”€

A Very Impractical Bill

So he was doing this for 73 different genders.

So finally they said, “€œOK, let’s just table this. We’ll leave it male and female on the driver’s license for now, and we’ll deal with this later.”€

So at least kudos goes to this guy for knowing well enough how to play the game in Massachusetts. This might not necessarily change what Massachusetts ends up doing on this issue, although I can’t imagine having 73 different genders identified on a driver’s license. What happens at that point if you decide you don’t want to be that gender anymore?


If there can be 73, then there can be 187.


If it’s gender fluidity, well then maybe I’m transitioning from that gender to this gender, and how dare you. That’s who I was yesterday. It’s not who I am today.


I”€™d have to get a new driver’s license every three weeks.


Right. So it seems like this is kind of a dangerous, slippery slope to get into anyway. Kind of a funny story, but still good news coming from Massachusetts.

I’m not sure if the better news is that there’s a Republican who’s up there, or that they kept the license being male and female, or that you had a Republican who actually used his brain in a very good way. He used the rules of the house to be able to get something good done by stopping a crazy bill by understanding the way culture is going.

We Need to be Shrewd


Oftentimes Jesus lamented, even to his followers, how sad it is the children of the world are more shrewd than the children of light. So often as Christians or, as as even conservatives, or however we identify ourselves—whether you are Republican or not—whatever you identify as, often we don’t think critically or strategically. This is a guy who certainly thought both critically and strategically in trying to prevent this. He did a good job keeping the driver’s license as simply male and female which is, still, what biology says we, in fact, are.


My only clarification on all of this is that no matter what, no matter what the legislature Massachusett says, there aren’t 73 genders. There might be 73 identities that people are making up, but there are still only two genders. Let’s just clarify that on our program. Nobody else will say it, but we’re still willing to say it. There’s still just the two that got made by God, male and female. Be right back, we’ve got more good news for you. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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The State Department Did Something Good


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live. It”€™s Good News Friday today, and David Barton”€™s got the next piece of good news. David?


I don’t know quite what to do with this. I feel like I’ve got to wash my mouth out with soap, which is the old school way of saying, “€œI think I’m going to say something bad.”€


This sounds like good news.


It’s actually that the State Department did something really good, and I kind of feel guilty saying the State Department did something good.


And you feel like you should go to detention for saying that.


We’re talking the State Department. I don’t know if I’ve ever said the State Department has done something good.


Attitude reflects leadership, Captain.

An Event Unprecedented


Well, we’ve got leadership now with Mike Pompeo. What’s going on at the State Department is unprecedented. For the first time that they know of in world history, they got 80 nations together under the State Department in Washington D.C. Mike Pompeo and Ambassador Sam Brownback, Sam is the International Religious Liberty Ambassador, held what was called a Religious Liberty Ministerial.

They got these 80 nations together to look at securing religious liberty in each of their nations. A lot of the nations are offending nations, in the sense that they don’t have good religious liberty.

What’s cool about this is every nation in the world wants a piece of America’s foreign affairs money. We do give money out to other nations and we try to use that money to help them, and encourage them to do the right thing, etc.

We can debate all day long whether we should be giving money to other nations or not, but the point is we do.

At this point Mike Pompeo and Ambassador Brownback said, “€œAll right. You want this? Here’s what we expect out of you. We expect religious liberty protection, in your nation.”€ We had a program on Burma here a couple of weeks ago, and that civil war—was it 99 years they’ve had a civil war? 79 years? It was something crazy like that.

We’re talking millions—the largest displacement, I think, was 1.1 million refugees just in one camp, and all this religious killing going on.

So these were the kind of nations that were there. Then, Tim, you and I, just a couple of weeks after that, we’re back with Ambassador Brownback, and he’s now got weekly meetings going with all these organizations and groups.

Our Preferred Trade Partners Now Must Support Religious Liberty

They’re representing religious liberty across the world, whether it be in India, or the Middle East, or Northern Africa, or the Sub Saharan Africa, or wherever it is, and it was just fascinating for us to be there and see what was going on with that.

So for the U.S. State Department, because I remember back under President Obama when Hillary was Secretary of State, they were literally saying, “€œWe will withhold your foreign aid dollars unless you change your constitution to allow homosexuality and abortion.”€

They were forcing that. They called it the Office of Women’s Initiatives, and they created it just to promote those two issues, and to see us going the other direction, the other side…

Ambassador Brownback is even working with the Commerce Department, because a U.S. Senator, James Lankford out of Oklahoma, a couple of years ago was able to get a provision in the trade bill that said, “€œIf you’re going to negotiate trade agreements with the United States, you have to take into consideration how those nations deal with religious liberty.”€

So if you want to be a preferred trade partner, you’re going to have to get religious liberty right.

Now you have Ambassador Brownback, who can not only work with the State Department, but he can reach over into the Commerce Department and say, “€œHey, religious liberties.”€

First time I can ever think that you have multiple cabinet level departments working together on a fundamental human right, the right of religious freedom.

Kudos to Secretary Pompeo and Ambassador Brownback for what they’re doing.


Very good news. Stay with us, folks, for one more segment of good news here, on WallBuilders Live.

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Divorce Rates in the USA are Dropping


Welcome back to Good News Friday here on WallBuilders Live. One segment left today, Tim Barton is going to wrap this up with some good news. Tim?


All right guys, this is a study that relates to Millennials and Gen Xers.

It says they’re credited with falling divorce rates in the United States. The study goes on to identify that, in fact, the divorce rate in the United States is falling. It credits demographics like Millennials and Generation Xers with the decline.

Just to clarify for the study, millennials are people that, at this moment, are ages 22 to 37, and Gen Xers are people that, at this moment, are roughly 38 to 53 years old.

They’re saying, because of these people, we have a declining divorce rate in America. Now, at first glance, that is really good news that we have a declining divorce rate. They also identify we have a declining marriage rate, which could impact part of why there’s less divorce. They do identify that often there is a lot of cohabitation.

One of the interesting things about the study is they also identify that, generally speaking, the less educated and affluent people are still coupling up they just aren’t likely to, as they put it in the article, “€œTo tie the knot.”€

So there’s still a fair amount of cohabitation. They’re still raising kids together. They’re just not marrying. For people that have levels of education, if they have a college degree, they are more likely to get married and stay married. So it is a very interesting breakdown.

People With College Degrees Have a Higher Chance of Getting and Staying Married

On one hand, it is very good news that the divorce rate is falling in America. I would certainly argue and contend, working with many young people as I do, that certainly the rising generation, many millennials, many young adults right now, don’t have the same respect for sexuality or the same traditional boundaries on human sexuality that used to be there.

I think there’s lots of reasons for that. Looking at culture, growing up in a subjective post-modern culture and looking at social media and TV, and Hollywood, there’s a lot of impact and influence. So I think there’s still a lot of areas that we need to work to help the next generation understand this.

One of the things we’ve talked about often on this program is how statistics affirm that the best thing to do economically is to actually get married, and stay married, and be married before you have kids.

It”€™s actually financially one of the strongest economic places you can be. Maybe it’s no coincidence that people with certain levels of education are recognizing the benefits of marriage, at least on an economic level perhaps, but it still does seem to be good news that the divorce rate is declining amongst Millennials and Gen Xers.

If we can just now work on some of the rest of the boundaries of human sexuality, understanding traditional values and that biblical morality, there”€™s still lots of work to do.

Nonetheless, this is at least one good indicator, although we could argue slightly skewed. Divorce does not seem to be as prevalent in Millennials and Gen Xers as it has been in other generations.

Children Live the Way Their Parents Model for Them


I’m curious because, if you know this, I have no clue on this, but is it more or less likely that a child that went through the pain of their parents being divorced ends up getting a divorce? In other words, are they more likely to get a divorce if their parents got a divorce?


It is highly likely, extremely highly likely that they will get divorced or that they will themselves be divorced.


You often repeat what you see modeled, so if you grow up in a home where your parents are screaming and cursing, and that’s the way they communicate, you think that standard is normal and even if you grew up hating it and thinking, “€œI will never do this. I will never do what my parent did.”€

It’s easy to fall into that trap because you saw a model, even if you did not like it.


That’s why in Criminal Justice right now, 90 percent of the children of incarcerated prisoners will themselves become prisoners. It’s unbelievable. So Tim’s right, what you see modeled is often what you do. So where there is divorce, that is often what happens to children, and it’s not just often, it’s a high percentage.

The House Passed Good Bills This Week, For More Good News…


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