An Unfair Advantage To The Hardships We Face, Military Stories: Today we talk with Chad Robichaux about his new book titled, An Unfair Advantage. He shares a glimpse into the life of special operations, competition as a professional fighter, and deep insight into this world”€™s spiritual battles which we are all engaged. Each chapter shares a parallel story of Biblical time warriors who faced similar struggles and reveals An Unfair Advantage that led them to victory in the midst of those battles. Tune in now to learn more, right here on WallBuilders Live.

Air Date: 07/26/2017

Guests: Chad Robichaux, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture, this is WallBuilders Live! Where we”€™re talking about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture, all of it from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

That conversation today with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name’s Rick Green, I’m a former Texas state representative.

You can find out more about us and the organization at, you can get a list of all the stations and other great information there. Then our other website is, a wealth of information and resources there as well.

David, Tim, later in the program we”€™ve got our good friend Chad Robichaux coming on with us. A great American, great story, and looking forward to having him.


A great guy he is. Not only is he a great story, he has great stories. He now has a new book out called, Unfair Advantage.  It’s a really cool title because it’s based on the fact that if you know God, and if you know what he wants for you, and you do it, then you have an unfair advantage over everybody else.

You’re not going to get beat off the path by what they say or do and you’re not going to get discouraged. Yes, there is discouragement along the way. But you have an unfair advantage when God’s on your side.

As a Special Forces guy fighting with eight deployments in Afghanistan, he tells some of the stories that have been declassified and such. He had to clear all the stories in this book with military intelligence to make sure he’s not revealing any secrets because he’s privy to all sorts of things that none of us can know at this point.

The stories are really cool. What he does is he tells a story of what happened on one of his deployments and shows a Bible story that relates to the very same thing. I had not noticed that there are so many Bible stories in the Bible that relate to military tactics and operation.

Stories Of The Killing Pool

There are some great ones, one of the ones he starts the book out with is called The Killing Pool. This is where he first kind of discovered what his enemy was like because he’s now been trained for months, even for years. He’s over there on the deployment and they’re fighting the enemy and they’re the guys that go in and take out the special targets, the special high ranking guys. And they do all these undercover things.

As he was working with some of his Afghan cohorts and interpreters he didn’t quite understand how they thought. So they said, “€œLet us show you something.”€ So they take him to an Olympic size swimming pool there in Afghanistan. He goes to his swimming pool. But it was built by the Russians and it was built back when the Russians were in that 10-year war with the Afghanis.

They built an Olympic swimming pool so that Russian athletes could practice diving at high altitudes. I think it”€™s like 7,000 feet or something where the pool is. And so it’s got these Olympic platform diving things, high platform, and low platform.

He got there and of course, the pool is dry because Afghanis don’t dive and they don’t use it for that. So the pool is dry but it still has all the infrastructure there, if you will. All the concrete and all the platform installed there.

As he looked at the top platform which is about 36 feet above what would have been the water level and then the pool was 12-15 feet deep, he saw that there were two cables hanging off the end.

The two cables had nooses on the end and they went down almost to the floor level. What the Taliban would do is they would take people they didn’t like, put that noose around the neck, throw them off the end of that platform, and 45 feet later they hit the cable, which essentially decapitated them. So all over the pool, he sees these atrocities of what Taliban’s been doing to the Afghanis.

Then he walked down in the pool and while he was in the pool down in the deep end all over the pool from about four to five feet off the ground it is riddled with bullets. They would put people in there and just spray them, just splatter them.

Then as he got up to the shallow end of the pool where you’d come up open the three to four-foot level it was all sprayed with bullets there as well because that’s where they stood the kids up and would just machine gun the kids. So it’s called “€œThe Killing Pool.”€ That’s his introduction to the Taliban, who these guys are, what they do, how they think, and what their values are.

Showing Jesus From Military Standpoint

The house in which he was living had been a Taliban torture center and down in the basement, they still had the hooks in the ceiling hanging out of the rafters where they would hang the people up to torture them.

So this is how he gets introduced to the enemy is through the Killing Pool. Then he takes and shows that in the Bible story. It’s a really cool introduction to it but it’s like, my gosh, we never saw that side of the war on terror. That’s not what the media told us about.

Then he talked about it when he’s back in the States. He witnessed a hit and run accident. A guy on a hit and run broadsided a woman who was in the car, it was a rainy day. He broadsided her, Chad just saw this car crumple, and he just knew everybody inside was dead.

This guy tried to run off and he’s not about to let him run off. So, Chad goes in high pursuit chase on him, tracks the guy down, follows him into a gas station, the guy gets out and says, “€œHey, did you see that woman hit me?”€ And Chad said, “€œNo, I saw it happen.”€He”€™d been talking to the police all along the chase saying, “€œHere’s where we’re going, here’s where the guy is, and he already just pulled in.”€  

Chad had been a police officer in New Orleans before he went overseas. So as he’s seeing this guy,  this guy get”€™s real belligerent with him and comes up to him and it starts telling him to back off, and get away from me, and leave me alone. He started coming to Chad and Chad said, “€œDon’t come close to me.”€ He started poking his finger at him and Chad said, “€œDon’t touch me.”€

Well, the guy touched him and got close to him, and the guy suddenly was lying on his back and had Chad right on top of him pounding his face. Chad talks about this, and what’s the deal here? It talks about Jesus, and it showed Jesus from a military standpoint.

An Angry Jesus, Beautiful Outlaw

The guy who wrote * about Jesus, it”€™s Jesus clearing the temple. Jesus got to the point where he could not take some things happening. So he deliberately put an end to some bad stuff that was happening.

Chad held this guy till the cops got there and they haul the guy off.  The lady turned out to be ok but this guy gets serious jail time for what he did in the hit and run. But I love this point that Chad has in there, it”€™s called, “€œAn Angry Jesus, Beautiful Outlaw.”€

It says, “€œJesus is a locomotive, he is a juggernaut, for all practical purposes here, he’s the bull in the china shop.”€ He’s talking about when Jesus chased them out of the Temple, “€œThis is our Jesus. But is this the Jesus of our worship songs? The religious fog sneaks into obscure Jesus with lines comparing him to a rose trampled on the ground. Helply, Lovely, Jesus. Vegetarian Jesus, pacifist Jesus, and tranquil Jesus. Oh wait, that was Gandhi, not Jesus.”€

Can you picture Gandhi or Buddha storming into the polling place of a local election, shouting, overturning tables, and sending the participants fleeing? Now, through a small carnival in the mix, which he also needed to throw out. Impossible.

Whoever did this would have to be really committed to clearing the building. He was fierce and intentional. These are the kind of military stories he shows from away that we don’t think about it. But the military eyes see what Jesus did and it”€™s really cool.

Leading In Tough Situations

One other story I”€™ll share. He was on his way to scout for a mission, they ended up going through a Taliban village but he didn’t know that. The Taliban looking for him to kill him and his driver and his guide knew where they’re going. As they went through the village they were scared to death because they would have been killed too.

So, they get out of the village and now they tell Chad, “€œHey, these guys want to kill you. It”€™s a good thing we got through there safely.”€ And just as they get out of the village they ran into a road slide across the road that holds them there for hours.

They’re now stuck in a car for hours. Chad, “€œWhat do I do? What do I do?”€ And his guide got out and just disappeared, just took off across the rocks. And Chad is going, “€œOh my gosh, now what?”€

So Chad starts packing up his gear, he”€™s got to figure out how to get there. And what happened was the guide comes back and says, “€œI found a car that will get us out of here.”€ So they crawl over the rocks, and when they did, the long line of cars came after them, they all abandoned their cars and followed them over the rocks.

As Chad points out, people needed to do something, but they just needed a leader. And so his guide took off and became a leader and suddenly everybody wants to follow. Which is what happened with Jonathan and his armourbearer, because the whole army is paralyzed, not knowing what to do about the  Philistines.

Jonathan says, “€œHey, let’s go knock the camp off tonight, you and me. Let’s go do it together.”€ So when Jonathan does that his armourbearer goes with it. Then suddenly, it empowers the entire army to go defeat the Philistines. But somebody had to be the leader.

So he’s got these great stories all throughout related to Bible stories. It’s a great book. Everybody needs to get and read it, it’s a fun read. Each chapter stands alone by itself. It’s great stories, it’s a great Bible insight from a military perspective. It’s good stuff.

Chad Robichaux who we’ve had on several times does such great work with Mighty Oaks Warrior Foundation dealing with guys of PTSD and suicide inclinations. It”€™s just tremendous what they do. But this is his new book and it’s really worth getting.


Chad Robichaux, our guest when we return here on WallBuilders Live!

American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. Many today wrongly claim that our Founding Fathers were largely atheists, agnostics, and deist.

Certainly, some Founders were less religious than others, but even they were not irreligious. Consider Benjamin Franklin, definitely one of the least religious among them, yet, when the delegates at the Constitutional Convention hit an impasse in their deliberations it was Franklin who called them to prayer, invoking numerous scriptures to make his point.

As he reminded them, “€œGod governs in the affairs of men. If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured in the sacred writings that, except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this.”€

So, even the least religious of America’s Founders urged public prayer in dependence on God. For more information about the faith of the Founding Fathers go to

Why An Unfair Advantage Was Written


Welcome back to WallBuilders Live!  Our good friend Chad Robichaux back with us. Always doing great work at Mighty Oaks. He has a new book coming out as well. Chad, good to have you back, bro.


Great to be on.


The new book, An Unfair Advantage. All kinds of cool stories in here. Going to get a little bit of not just your military but also your MMA championships, and competition, and get some good life lessons as well. What made you decide to do this book?


Yeah, I go speak at a lot of events and particularly on Sundays, you could find me about half of the Sunday”€™s I”€™m at a different church doing an event. I always get, it seems like consistently, the moms, the sisters, the friends, that comes up and says, “€œI would love for so and so to hear your message but they would never come to church.”€ And I tell them about Mighty Oaks programs and the like, “€œWell, they would never go to a program like that. So how can I reach them?”€

Sometimes I don’t have the answer to give them, so I want to build a tool that I can give these people to bring their loved ones something that would actually be interested in reading.

But that would also challenge them and corner them and into making a decision to get out from under that dark rock they crawled under and get the help they need. And get to get back productive in the world and be the world leaders that we know they can be.

So when I wrote, An Unfair Advantage it was with that in mind. To give a tool that could be used to take someone from a point of hopelessness to a place of hope ultimately a place to make a decision to move forward in their lives.

An Unfair Advantage To The Hardships We Face


You have so many different experiences to draw from. Special operations, force recon marine, you did eight tours in Afghanistan, you’re MMA fighting, you’ve been a special agent with the Air Marshal Service, Department of Defense, I mean, you’ve got all these different things you’ve done. To draw from all of that and distil that down to some good life lessons, how did you decide which parts to tell?


I can look at the array of different things that I’ve been privileged to be a part of. I think ultimately, the lessons I share in the book are crossroads I faced and failures in my life. Falling on my face and then having to learn how to get back up.

Fortunately, in my life, I had people come alongside me, helped me, and shared some wisdom with me. There’s been a lot of things I’ve learned along the way that defines success and life’s battles. So, the book isn’t just about sharing cool war stories and there are some pretty cool stories in there.

They are life lessons that I think anyone can relate to whether they be to Iraq, Afghanistan, just the hardships in life we face and some of the wisdom and lessons that I’ve learned through stories that have inspired me. Things I’ve learned through the Bible, lessons from the Bible, wisdom that people pass on to me. It’s really taking these stories, proposing a life issue, a battle, and unwrapping an unfair advantage, which is the title of the book, An Unfair Advantage.

Which found through a life of faith and through a life of living the lives we were created to live. And when we can understand that we will have an advantage to the hardships we face.


That is so good, man. Most of the time you see people that are “€œsuccessful.”€ I mean, you’re a guy that has won in so many different arenas and people think, “€œWell, he just can always win, he doesn’t go through the things I go through and the challenges I go through.”€

We don”€™t realize guys just like you that are winning at some of the highest levels of competition in the world, you face the same challenges the rest of us do. And you’ve been in those same situations and that’s what I like about how you teach and what you teach is you make it real and it’s applicable to me.  


We all face hardships. As I always say, there are many ways in this world to get hurt, not just in combat. But there’s one true way to get well and that’s through a relationship with Jesus Christ. And having the understanding of how to step into the will of God.

That’s not motivating to say, stepping into the will of God for your life. There’s a lot of work to do that because this world is a battlefield. And if you don’t understand the battle you’re in and you don”€™t understand the ways that we’ve been given, the gifts that we’ve been given to win, then you’re going to keep running into walls, and falling on your face.

That’s why I love the title, of course, I’m a little biased, Unfair Advantage.

How The Title “€œUnfair Advantage”€ Came About


Did you come up with the title or Kathy? Who came up with the title?


I guess I did because it took a while to explain it to her. She was like, “€œI don’t get the concept behind it.”€ And I was like, “€œOh my gosh, I hope that it doesn”€™t fall flat.”€ But I”€™ve gotten great compliments. I don’t know if you know the Gracie family


The Gracies, yeah.


I’m a third-degree black belt under Carlson Gracie Junior. He’s Brazilian so he speaks Portuguese. I was trying to explain the title to him. “€œWhat’s an unfair advantage?”€ And I said, “€œWell, it’s like if you, Carlson Gracie Junior, were to go out and get in a street fight. You”€™d have an unfair advantage because you know so much more than other people know.”€

I believe that when you’re in the will of God and you understand who you are created to be and you get in a battle with the enemy, you truly do have an unfair advantage to winning.


That’s awesome. Literally, it’s saying, “€œYou’re training for life with the Master.”€ It’s just like when you try to fight with a Gracie you’re trading with the Masters. And here you’re telling people, “€œLook, you want to really have an unfair advantage in life. You”€™re training with the real master that gave us the instruction manual of how to succeed and how to enjoy this life and have the most victories.”€


That’s right.


I love it… That’s a great title. So did Kathy finally get on board for that? Did she say, “€œYes, ok?”€

Men And Women Really Responded To This


She just finished it. And she actually really enjoyed it. The book is written specifically to men but as we had different people read, and test it, and see what they thought of it, and get their feedback before we put it out.  It was the ladies that I got some of the greatest feedback from. Even though it was written to men, some of the ladies, Kathy included, just they loved the stories and loved the perspective of understanding some of the challenges that men face and the hardships in this world to become the men that God called us to be and rise up to be the leaders in our homes and in our communities and in our churches and in this country.

Free To The Military


Good stuff, man! Good stuff. We love you and Kathy both, we love your family and your ministry, and what you do. The book itself, available now, it’s called An Unfair Advantage. You can get it at Mighty Oaks books.

It looks like you’re giving this free to the military. Can folks donate to help with that? Because I know, obviously, millions of folks would love to get it in the hands of. So can folks help you on that part of it?


Yeah, one of our big pushes at Mighty Oaks is obviously, we have our legacy program where we graduate with 14-16 hundred graduates now. We have a program starting today in California and we have had great success there. Zero suicides of the 22 a day through our program.

On the other side of Mighty Oaks is that we do a resiliency side. So I go speak at bases all over the country and share a message of not just being strong mentally and physically but also spiritually and having that preparedness to actually do a warrior’s job.

The military has really opened up the doors to allow us to do this. While doing we want to be able to equip them so we give them a lot of resources. Pastor Resiliency was a book that you guys helped with, David Barton personally helped with, and we’ve given out 25,000 of those. And we plan to do the same with An Unfair Advantage.

Then we were just talking about it right before. Allen West is partnering with us and The Truth about PTSD and talking about PTSD from a recreation perspective. So these are resources that we’re giving out. If anyone wants to help with that, donations is how Mighty Oaks runs. So you can certainly donate. Buying a book helps the proceeds of the books we sell go into giving thousands of these away to the troops. I just booked an even right before I got on the phone, I’m going to go speak to about 500 army soldiers there and we’ll be giving away 500 copies of the book.

The Power Of Marriage Advance


That’s awesome! That’s is the place you can go to get the books and make donations there on the website as well. Chad, if I could also mention Marriage Advance is another one of your books. That”€™s the one with Cathy where y”€™alls story is told and so important to get this in hands of our military even before they deploy, right?


Exactly, especially the SEAL community has been phenomenal about giving those the books to deploying fields and then the spouse has a copy as well. They’re able to spend 10-15 minutes a week on the phone and go through the book together.

We’ve had so much amazing feedback on marriages that say, “€œHey, this book, it felt like we were reading our marriage with different names.”€ We show those parallel problems but the solution is to get beyond those problems and being in a marriage that we were intended to be in.

The marriage divorce rate kept going up, for example, it”€™s still over 80 percent. So that’s a big problem for our deploying military warriors and families. So we want to be in the front end of helping bring solutions to that problem and seeing family restored and whole again and be an example for the next generation of families in the military.  General Jerry Boykin


So many good tools, man. God is using you in a mighty way. I noticed on this new one,  An Unfair Advantage“€ you”€™ve got Jerry Boykin doing the forward on there, a good friend of ours.


Yes, General Boykin is a personal hero of mine, especially the special operations community, so I was so honored. He served with David Barton on our advisory board. He did the forward for this book and he wrote, I don”€™t know if you read his forward, it was amazing, very personal forward. So I was so appreciative of that.

The endorsements, we had Sergeant Major Kent who is the 16th Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps endorse it. Allen West, David Barton, of course, we have some really strong endorsements. So praying that those endorsements help the reach to get it out there and get it in the hands of those who need that advantage.


Well, folks listening right now can help make that happen as well. Go to, get some copies for yourself, give them out to your friends and family, not just the ones in military, An Unfair Advantage is for everybody. Fantastic stuff. We”€™ve got to get you back when Leadership By Design comes out you have so many great tools at Mighty Oaks. We really appreciate you guys. Keep up the great work!


We’re loving being a part of it. Thank you all you do for us.


Appreciate you Chad, tell Kathy hi, you’ll have a good one!


God bless.


Stay with us folks right back with David and Tim Barton.

Pastors Only Briefing Trip


Hi, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders and I want to encourage all the pastors out there with a unique opportunity that we’re presenting it WallBuilders. We’re doing a special tour just for pastors that you can come and learn more about the spiritual heritage of our nation. Not just seeing the sights but understanding the significance of what they are and what they represent.

We get to go to the Capitol at night.  And we get to see the spiritual heritage of our Founding Fathers, of who we are as a nation, where we came from. We bring in congressman that will tell you about current legislation, about our religious liberties and freedom, and what’s going on in Washington, D.C.

If you’re a pastor or if you want to recommend your pastor for this trip, you can go to our website at And there’s a link that’s for scheduling.  If you click on that link there’s a section for pastor”€™s briefing. There’s more information about the dates, when it’s going, and how it’s going to happen. If you want to know more about our nation, our religious liberties, our freedom, our spiritual heritage, this is a trip you want to be a part of.

A Sneak Peek Into The Book


Welcome back! Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live! Thanks to Chad Robichaux for joining us today. We’re back with David and Tim Barton. Guys, we’ve seen the results. We know what Chad’s ministry does and the incredible results that they get. Just a great organization to support.

New book, An Unfair Advantage. The more people get that book and share it with others the more Chad will be able to share it for free with military members.


Yeah, it’ll be great to see the impact he’s going to be able to have as he goes in and has an opportunity to share some of these core values with Marines before they deploy. As they’re helping people, Military guys that have been down range and they’re coming back. He’s identified the suicide rates and the divorce rates and all these sayings that they’re able now to speak into these men’s lives.


Let me build on that Tim, because the divorce rate for deployed Marine overseas, when they come back the divorce rate it’s about 93 percent out of Camp Pendleton, etc. The divorce rate of those who go through his program is at 1 percent.

That’s the kind of stats Tim is talking about that are so significant. Whereas there are 22 military veterans a day that commit suicide out of the thousands of guys that go through Chad’s stuff, not a single suicide at all of those who have gone through this program. And they only get the guys who really are inclined towards suicide. It’s a tremendous

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu


And on top of it, as we’re talking about the book, it helps fund some of what they do. They’re a non-profit you can give to and there are a lot of other ways they can get money. But I’m excited about reading this book. Obviously, we got a kind of, sneak peek, a head start and read some of it

Some of these stories I’ve not heard from Chad before. So I’m very excited to get into this book and learn more of these stories, see more of his activity, and what he did. Even some of these stories where he chased down that big dude who was in a hit and run and he kind of had to explain things to him a little bit.

The guy tried to get physical and Chad with his background, not just military, but then a mixed martial artist, a third-degree black belt, whatever he is doing-


Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is just-


Oh my gosh, he is just not the guy you want to mess with. So when this guy gets in his face he just kind of has to help him understand. But just such kind of fun stories that are all man’s stories. But especially as he makes that God connection, it”€™s just really neat what Chad is doing.

Eye Opening Military Perspective On The Bible


Well, I’ve read through the Bible how many times? I don’t know. But I saw the stories he looked at from a military viewpoint and I go, “€œHe’s right. It’s there. I’ve just never looked at it with those lenses before.”€ And for a military guy, there were so many cool Bible stories about the military that I had not picked up on before.

So it really is a fun reading! You’re right Tim, it”€™s kind of a guy’s book, well, it”€™s an action book, for anyone who likes action.

But it’s all about, “€œGuys, stand up be a man. Quit being a wimp. This culture particularly wants you to be wimpy. Be a man. Look where the Bible is, look where man is in the Bible. And here’s the kind of enemy opposition we have.”€

It really is a fun book. People will enjoy it. It’s a fun read. Again, every chapter stands alone on its own. And they’re all built around an individual story. And if you’ve got folks who really don’t know the Lord or not much there yet but like action stuff this is the book for them because it’s a real easy bridge.

It’s just a soft lesson at the end of every chapter. It’s a little God lesson but it’s God in such a way that they probably haven’t seen him before. It’s not the soft wimpy Jesus, the pacifist Jesus, the vegetarian Jesus, it’s a man Jesus.

Thanks For Listening


Even the title explains it, An Unfair Advantage, he talks about some cool Bible stories and what led them to victory in the midst of those battles and basically the secret weapon of having God on your side.

He’s got a forward by our good friend General Jerry Boykin, quotes from Allen West, and this guy named David Barton, I don’t know who this guy is but he said the book was great. Really good people endorsing the book, that”€™s what I’m trying to say. So a really great book for folks to get, An Unfair Advantage. Check it out at our website. Today on, thanks for listening to WallBuilders Live!