Union Dues, Voting, and More! Foundations of Freedom Thursday: It”€™s Foundations of Freedom Thursday, a special day of the week where we get to answer questions from you, the listeners! Always answering your questions from constitutional principles! Tune in today as we answer your questions on union dues, how Christians should vote, on whether or not new Texans are endangering that freedom loving state, and so much more, right here on WallBuilders Live!

Air Date: 10/04/2018

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith And The Culture

Intro:

This is a quote from George Washington, “€œThe Constitution will demonstrate as visibly the finger of Providence as any possible event in the course of human affairs can ever designate it.”€

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we”€™re talking about today”€™s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. We always do that from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. And especially today this is Thursday, so we call it Foundations of Freedom Thursday here at WallBuilders. This is a chance for you to send in questions and then for us to dive into that biblical, historical, and constitutional, perspective on those issues.

So, we’re going to jump into some questions with David Barton. He”€™s America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders. Tim Barton”€™s with us, he”€™s a national speaker and pastor, and he”€™s also the president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

So, guys, we’ve got some great questions for folks. If they want to get some other foundations programs they can do that at our website, WallBuildersLive.com. Or they can go to WallBuilders.com and also get some great tools that will answer all kinds of questions about the Founding Fathers, and the history of the United States, and how to preserve our Constitutional Republic. But for now, let’s let our listeners kind of guide the conversation today. You guys willing to do that?

David:

I think we can do that, Rick.

Send in Your Questions

Rick:

You’re sort of on the spot here, alright. So, these are listener questions from all across the country. Which, folks, if you want to send one you can send them to [email protected], [email protected] Well, David’s ready. Tim?

Tim:

Absolutely. Let’s do it.

Rick:

Alright, here we go. Ann is up first. Her question is about the Supreme Court and union dues. Here’s how it goes, she says, “€œThe Supreme Court handed down a ruling about union dues. My understanding is that you may not be forced to pay union dues. You have a right to opt out. What is the moral application of this? Thanks.”€ Okay, so, I don’t know – union dues and whether or not they should force you to pay. I would say from a moral application– I’m not sure she’s asking if it’s moral to require it or if it’s more for the Supreme Court to say you can’t require it. But, I”€™ll let you guys tackle it.

David:

Well, I think we get a little broader. Let’s look at that decision from a moral, and a constitutional, and a historical perspective, and that’s what we do a lot at WallBuilders. So, let’s take the moral application first. And by the way, this is one of the rulings that came down before they recessed back in June. And we’re now up on another Supreme Court term, so we’ll see what they choose this time. Usually 60-80 rulings is what they”€™ll do over the course of the year. They’ll have about nine months where they’ll look at cases and do that.

So, in the last term they came out with this deal that says, “€œNo, you cannot be coerced to pay union dues. In * it said, “€œYou have to belong to unions here and if you do you have to pay dues.”€ And the Supreme Court came back and said, “€œNo you can’t do that.”€

The Moral Application is Pretty Simple

David:

So, the moral application for me is pretty simple. And I would ask the question what happens to those union dues? Well, much of those union dues goes into political activities and political activities and candidates that are supported by the unions. And if you look at the record of unions, the candidates they support are going to be progressive, left, socialist. Which puts them and the pro abortion camp, which puts them in the anti traditional marriage camp, which puts them and virtually everything morally that we would disagree with.

So, the first moral application is you’re no longer being forced to subsidize political campaigns that you may disagree with. So, that’s a good moral decision is that– and that was why the case was brought was there were individuals who said, “€œLook, they’re spending money on candidates and on positions I don’t personally believe with. I may be a union member, but you can’t force me to support those kind of candidates by paying dues.”€ And that’s what the court totally agreed with. So, that’s the moral application.

Tim:

Well, I would also add you have also the freedom of choice which certainly is a biblical perspective. All throughout the Bible, God constantly is giving people a choice of what they’re going to do and how they’re going to do it. And obviously, those choices were not always good, right? Adam and Eve in the garden, they chose to eat from the tree that God said, “€œDon’t eat.”€ “€œEverything else you can have. Don’t eat this one tree.”€ They chose to do that. But God is always giving people a choice.

And one of the things that”€™s been a problem with union dues is people did not have a choice. If they’re living in the town, if they want to work in a certain industry, in certain industries you are required to be part of the union if you don’t have a job in that town and you didn’t have a choice. So, you disagree philosophically, politically, whatever else it is, and you lost that freedom of choice which is almost similar even to the right of association.

David:

Well, see, you said “€œbiblical”€ and I would also say biblical and constitutional. Because you’re right – you’ve got the right of association that goes with that freedom of choice.

The Right of Association

Tim:

And that’s exactly where I was going to go, right. because we understood fundamentally from a government perspective that the government cannot coerce and force you to be a part of a group and take away kind of your independent sovereignty of choice. Which certainly is a biblical perspective, but it’s upheld in the American way of life. In the laws of America, the right of association.

So, this is something that certainly from a legal, constitutional, moral, perspective individuals ought to have the freedom of choice. And it really is different if you worked for a business and your company said, “€œHey, in our company we do not allow cursing.”€ And people are going, “€œWait a second, you have the freedom of speech.”€ Well, an individual company actually has a little bit of sovereignty in the sense of, “€œIf you work for us, these are the rules.”€ So, you have a contract going in, you’ve signed the contract.

It’s a little different if you live in a town where you want to work in an industry and you are required to be a part of the industry to work in any one of the multiple job positions in the town. But if it’s part of the union it’s not really the same level of entering into a contract for any kind of labor agreement. So, this is very different than just working for an employer. So, even though we do believe that businesses should have the right to conduct their operations according to the way they desire, obviously within some level of boundaries. But they should have the ability to conduct their business in the manner they see best fit.

It is a little different from unions where you are required to be in a union. And it’s not quite the same contract, you don’t have the same rights, you don’t have the same freedoms, and the same choices. So, certainly when it comes to union dues this is why the U.S. Supreme Court recognized you can’t be required to pay something just to have a job and work in this kind of scenario.

David:

Yeah. And I would add even with that– and by the way, so many unions are public sector unions. That is, they are doing stuff for the government. That’s their direct employer, if you will. So,–

Even FDR Was Against This

Rick:

Which, even FDR was against, right? Even Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the liberal that ushered in so much of the nanny state for us. Even he was against public sector unions.

David:

Yeah. And that’s really what keeps unions alive today more than anything else because they don’t compete in the free market to any great degree. It takes the government to keep something alive that the people don’t want. That’s what we see here.

But there’s one more constitutional aspect that I would throw in here and a religious aspect as well is that this also directly affects the rights of religious conscience as protected in the First Amendment.

Because my religious conscience is I don’t care what organization I belong to, you’re not going to take my money and promote abortions with. You’re not going to take my money to destroy marriage as a man and a woman. And my conscience would not allow that.  Whether that be the Jack Phillips kind of folks who said, “€œI’m not going to participate in that by using my skill sets.”€ I’m going to say, “€œI’m not going to participate in it by using my income.”€

So, this is another protection that the Supreme Court has now restored in that I can have conscience objections to what the union is doing with my dues and I do not have to pay that anymore. So, there’s a lot of moral application, historical, constitutional, application that we can readily see out of that decision by the Supreme Court which we think was a very good decision.

Rick:

Alright, guys, quick break. We”€™ve got more questions coming up. Stay with us – we’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

President Thomas Jefferson said, “€œI know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves. And if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”€

This Precarious Moment Book

David:

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Issues that we’re dealing with, issues such as immigration, race relations, our relationship with Israel, the rising generation Millennials, and the absence of the church in the culture wars, and where American heritage is, our godly heritage. We look at all six of those issues right now that are under attack and we give you both Biblical and historical perspective on those issues that provide solutions on what each of us can do right now to make a difference.

These are all problems that are solvable if we’ll get involved. So you can grab the book This Precarious Moment and find out what you can do to make a difference. This Precarious Moment is available at WallBuilders.com.

Intro:

Abraham Lincoln said, “€œWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts. Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”€

Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us on this Foundations of Freedom Thursday. Diving into your questions. Be sure and send us one – [email protected] is the e-mail, [email protected] If you”€™ve got a question about the founding fathers, or history, or application of some policy today, we’ll look at it from that moral, biblical, and historical, perspective.

Christians and Voting

Rick:

Next question. David, Tim, this one comes from Sebastian. He says, “€œOn the subject of how Christians ought to vote I heard a pastor preach from Joshua Chapter 5 where Joshua asked the captain of another large army that wasn’t the army of Jericho what side were they on. The captain responds, “€˜I’m neither on your side or their side. I’m captain of the Lord’s Army. I don’t take sides but I have come to take over.”€™

“€œHow would you respond to a pastor who seems to be communicating that Christians ought not to be involved in political parties, but instead seek to bring people who are involved in parties and the candidates who are running on a political party platform to the light of Jesus Christ?”€ Good question. David, Tim?

Tim:

Well, I think first and foremost there’s some fundamental truth in that statement. As Christians we should not be specifically party people at all.
One of the things I’m reminded of a Founding Father, Benjamin Rush, who was a signer Declaration, he helped ratify the U.S. Constitution, he actually serve on three different presidential administrations and each administration was very unique from previous administrations. And he actually was approached and was asked, “€œHow are you working for these different administrations.”€ It would be the the essence of if someone had worked for President Obama, and now they’re working for Trump, and they had worked for Bush before Obama and it”€™s, “€œHow can you work for such different administrations?”€

But Benjamin Rush’s answer was very interesting because he was asked, “€œWell, are you an aristocrat, or are you a Democrat? What’s your actual party affiliation?”€ He said, “€œWell, I’m none of those things. I’m a Christocrat.”€ And his idea was that I support Christian principles beyond any party. And this is even, if you remember George Washington’s farewell address, he warned that the love of party would be very destructive to America. That Americans ought to be more concerned with principle than party.  

Principles Over Party

Tim:

So, I would fundamentally, agree as a Christian, I’m not nearly as interested in supporting what a political party does as I am supporting a position. For example, right now, because I am very pro-life, I tend to vote more Republican because Republicans generally their political position is doing a much better job of protecting the life of the unborn. Currently, Democrats by and large are very supportive of abortion. And actually, even partial birth abortion, third trimester abortion, things that we could see morally are very, very, destructive, very anti biblical. But that’s only current position.

So, if in 10 years the Democrats have had a major change of heart and the Democrats become the ones that, now, all of a sudden they’re incredibly pro-life, they’re pro marriage, they’re pro Israel, they’re pro religious liberty. If they begin supporting the very things, the principles that I support. Well, if they do a better job on those issues than the Republican Party I will no longer support the Republican Party. I will support the party that does a best job promoting the principles that are the most important to me.  

So, we should not be so connected to a party that we lose sight of the principles that are the most important. And ultimately, that”€™s where the founding fathers really were in essence. Their view, what George Washington said about political parties. And I think really biblical perspective that’s where we should be. So, on some level I would agree with the pastor saying that we shouldn’t just be supporting a side. We want to be on God’s side.

However, political parties, generally one side is more supportive of God’s side than the other. And right in this current climate there’s really only two political parties and one party platform is supportive much more so of biblical values than the other. So, we support the party that’s the most supportive of biblical values. And right now it just happens to be the Republican Party at the moment. That certainly could change, but in wanting to support biblical values you find the party or the people that do the best job supporting those values.

They Didn”€™t Lay Down Their Weapons

David:

Yeah. And with that, and you framed it exactly right. And going even further with what you said, George Washington’s farewell address nailed the thing. He said, “€œThe greatest bane to the nation is the love of a political party above the love of principle.”€ So, if you just love party because there are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Constitution– if you just love the party name and that’s what you got, that’s dangerous for the nation, that will destroy it.

But party is part of the process. You”€™ve got to be involved in party to have influence. If you’re not involved in the party, all you get to do as vote in the general election. And there’s not much influence you can have in the general. Now, that’s very important, but you have much more influence back in the primaries where you could help the most godly candidates advance. And you only get to do the primaries if you’re involved in the party process. So, you have to choose a side.

Now, this is where the analogy of Joshua 5 breaks down. Because it’s kind of like, “€œWell, the Lord showed up, so neither side counted after that.”€ Well, it did count after that. Joshua’s army did not lay down their weapons. They just got on the right side and they use their weapons.

Tim:

Now, I would point out that that God actually did miracles on behalf of Joshua”€™s party–

David:

That”€™s right.

Tim:

Joshua was given the victory because God gave him the victory. There’s no way you look at Joshua and you’re like, “€œWow, these guys are brilliant. They marched in circles and blew a trumpet. They’re awesome warriors.”€ Right? No. They won because God did something unique. But they got on God’s side and that’s when they got the victory.

But it’s not like God is not doing something, or God does not bless or favor certain principles. So, the idea that, “€œWell, we shouldn’t be on a side because we want to be on God’s side.”€ God’s already chosen a side. So, let’s make sure we’re fighting for God’s side, but it doesn’t mean we don’t engage in the process.

Sides Are Important

David:

That’s exactly right. Because it wasn’t that God came down and said, “€œOh Joshua, I’m not on your side, so I’m not going to help you.”€ God says, “€œI’ve got my own plan and Jericho needs to go. And you want to be part of my side?”€ There were sides. God chose sides, God had sides. And to suggest, or even imply, that, well, that shows that sides aren’t important. No, sides are important and you”€™ve just got to choose the right one.

And really, the modern American application that goes back to the Civil War.

In the case of the Civil War, it was very much Republican versus Democrat. No question about it. Anyone who doubts that go look at history. The Democrats left the House and the Senate and succeeded. It was a Democrat states and they made it really clear. So, every Democrat from the South left the House and the Senate and they said, “€œWe’re taking our states with us.”€

It was a Republican/Democrat thing. It was over the platforms. The Republicans said, “€œWe want to end slavery.”€ Seven of the nine planks in the first Republican platform were about civil rights and racial equality. And those who gave the speeches on the floor that were Democrats said, “€œWe’re not going to be part of a nation who believes this about blacks. We’re out of here.”€ So, it was very much two side political parties.

So, as this is going on in the Civil War there was an anecdote of Abraham Lincoln being in the White House, walking in the White House, and there were a bunch of ministers in there. And as he passed a group he heard some of them talking and one of the guys said, “€œI sure hope God’s on the union side in this conflict.”€ At that point Lincoln abruptly stopped, he turned around, he went back, he confronted the preacher, he said, “€œSir, that is not my concern. It is my concern that we be on the Lord’s side.”€

Now that’s the Joshua thing. God has a side of slavery and not slavery. And it’s not, “€œLet’s take a position and ask God to bless the Republicans because we’re against slavery.”€ No, no, no. Let’s get the Republicans to begin slavery and God will bless that because that’s God’s side. So, that was still a very partisan conflict, but they took the right side. And it’s not because they were Republicans or Democrats it’s because of the positions they took. And that’s what you have.

Run According to the Rules

David:

So, Tim, as you said, this doesn’t say get out of the process. My gosh, no. You need, as 1 Timothy says, “€œYou run according to the rules.”€ And political processes have rules and you need to be involved in that process. So, yeah, get on the Lord’s side.

Tim:

And I would also point out just kind of big picture thought – if Christians don’t get involved in the process then how”€™s abortion going to end? If Christians don’t get involved in the process, how do we bring an end to the injustice, to the tragedies, and the corruption, we see in politics, in culture, and government, if Christians don’t get involved.

So, the idea that, no, as Christians we shouldn’t get involved, we should just be godly, and we should just pray, and be in church, and love people and witness. Abortion is not going to end by us not doing something. Abortion will end when Christians get involved and do something. So, this is where we have to think logically, critically, strategically, in the midst of this and understand that, no, God’s already declared some things are right, wrong, wicked, righteous, evil, good, God’s already made plain some of these things.

So, we don’t even need to look and try to figure out, well, I’m not sure what to do on some of these issues. No, God’s made it pretty clear on some of these issues. We just need to make sure that we get on God’s side. And that’s part of why we have to be involved in the process to make sure that we bring an end to what God says is evil and that we promote what God says is good.

David:

And let me be real clear – I don’t want to sound unequivocal on political parties. Because there there is not a moral ambivalence between the two parties. It’s not like I want to be an independent. I want to not be a partisan, so I’m not a Republican or Democrat. If I let my values drive me I have to take a position. And if you doubt that then look at the difference between the Republican and the Democrat Party on Israel, how Israel is treated, how life is treated, how marriage is treated, how LGBTQ issues are treated, look at how conscience is treated. And you can’t say there’s a moral ambivalence.

There Is Not a Moral Ambivalence

David:

I can certainly say I do not agree with all Republicans. I do not think John McCain in his last days was a benefit for these issues at all. And he’s a Republican. But I can also say that in most votes on moral issues you’re going to have 95 percent of Republicans vote right and 95 percent of Democrats vote wrong. So, if I’m going to take the Lord’s side on this thing I’m going to essentially line up being a Republican – not because I’m a Republican because I like those issues.

Tim:

And that’s just where it is right now.

David:

That’s right.  

Tim:

We would love to see that change–

David:

You bet.

Tim:

–where the parties are actually fighting to see who can have the more godly position. Right? That would be awesome if we were at that place in America. It’s not that we have chosen a favorite party. It’s that we recognize that between the parties one does a much better job, at the moment, upholding biblical standards than the other one does. But it’s just it’s a current situation. So, this is not a blanket endorsement or assessment, but just recognizing where they are on the issues right now.

An Incomplete Analogy

David:

So, that’s that’s why I think that analogy out of Joshua 5 is incomplete. It’s a nice concept and, yes, we want to be on the Lord’s side, but that doesn’t mean we sit around and don’t take a side with what’s going on. We just take a side. We just make sure it”€™s the side that the Lord’s pointed toward.

Rick:

Let me see if– I’m simple minded, so let me see if I simply have this right. So, number one, principles over party. And sometimes because of our system principles through party, right? That’s just the system we have.

Tim:

Right.

Rick:

You’ve got to be involved in whatever the system is that you have.

Tim:

Right.

Rick:

And in our case it”€™s parties. So, if you want to impact change, if you want to do, like you said, Tim, if we’re going to get rid of abortion, you have to work the political process. And that has to be done through parties to be to be effective. And then second, if God didn’t choose sides, then what are all those stories where He wipes out entire armies in the Old Testament?

David:

Yeah, exactly right. There are sides. We just need to make sure we pick the right side. It’s not that we sit around and wait for the Lord to do stuff. We need to pick not the winning side, but the right side. And that’s the side we need to fight on is fight for the things that are right.

Rick:

Very good. Alright, we’ll be right back, guys. We”€™ve got time for one more question when we come back. Stay with us here on WallBuilders Live.

Outro:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œThe constitutions of most of our states, and of the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people that they may exercise it by themselves that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. That they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.”€

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Rick

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Intro:

President Calvin Coolidge said the more I studied the Constitution the more I realize no other document devised by the hand of man has brought so much progress and happiness to humanity to live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege there was ever according to the human race.

Is Texas”€™ Freedom in Danger?

Rick:

Welcome back thanks for staying with us here on Wall Builders Live. Foundations of Freedom Thursday today. We’ve got time for one more of your questions.

This one comes from not a name, just a fellow Texan. So, obviously a good person if they’re a fellow Texan, “€œAs Bob McEwen would say, “€˜The greater the freedom, the greater the wealth.”€™ We are experiencing that here in Texas and people are flooding in. For those moving into a freedom loving state, do they bring their progressive worldview with them? Or does experiencing freedom first hand lead to a change of heart and mind? Do they change their minds enough to make a red state redder? Or does financial prosperity doom us to slipping towards slavery?”€

Good question whoever this fellow Texan was. David, Tim?

David:

Yeah, this is a real problem because today we no longer teach sequential thinking, we don’t teach cause and effect. That’s why so many people think socialism is great because nobody’s pointed out the effects of that.

So, they have all the soundbite and rhetoric. What’s happened is when progressive people move into a freedom loving state they love it, but they think it’s a result of what they believe and they associated with that. If you doubt that then look at what happened in New Hampshire over the last 30 years. People fled Boston, fled Massachusetts, high taxes, oppressive onerous kind regulations, and they went to New Hampshire, but they took all that craziness with them. So, New Hampshire is now a very blue state where it used to be a very red state. It’s a very heavily taxed, heavily regulated state. Those people moved in and carried their philosophy with them.

Red vs. Blue

David:

Somebody really needs to do a study looking at red versus blue in terms of crime and education, in terms of illiteracy, in terms of marriage, in terms of everything else, and start making the point that, “€œLook, the reason that you want to move to a red state is because it is not blue. And here’s the consequences for that.”€

So, we see that in Texas. In Texas, we’ve had all this influx – 20 percent growth in population only 10 years. That’s massive. It’s a big hit on infrastructure. But they’re moving not into the country, they’re moving into the cities. So, we’re seeing Dallas become bluer, we’re seeing El Paso become bluer, we’re seeing San Antonio and Houston become bluer. And there are so many blue things in those cities that it”€™s starting to affect the redness of the entire state.

It’s like Illinois where Illinois is so red except for Chicago. Chicago is the vast majority of the population. So, it looks like a very blue state because of one city. So, that’s the problem. And people really need to understand that you move to a freedom loving state because it is not blue on its philosophies. It has a different philosophy and we just don’t teach cause and effect and sequential thinking anymore, so people don’t recognize that.

Rick:

Well, hopefully experiencing some of that freedom will help them to understand those principles and understand what gives you that prosperity, and liberty, and all those things that we enjoy. Tim said something earlier about abortion is not going to end, some of these things are not going to happen, unless we do something. I love that Matthew West song “€œDo Something”€. And he says in the song he got angry and he shook his fist at God, “€œWhy don’t you do something?”€ And God said, “€œI did – I made you.”€

Union Dues, Voting, and More! Foundations of Freedom Thursday

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Outro:

Thomas Jefferson said, “€œIn questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”€