Black American Patriots:   Untold truths of black history on the Glenn Beck Program, part 1. In this episode, you will learn the truth about voting rights for blacks and women, how slavery was established in America, and so much more! Tune in now to find out!

Air Date: 02/23/2017


Guests: Glenn Beck, David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Welcome

Rick:

You found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture.  This is WallBuilders Live! Where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, faith, and culture all from a Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. You get those three perspectives and you’re going to get the right answer on any issue out there.

Your hosts are David Barton, America’s premier historian our founder and president here at WallBuilders, Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor, and my name is Rick Green, former Texas state representative.

Black American Patriots

We’re going to bring you a special television program that David recently did on Great Black Patriots. It”€™s Black History Month.  There’s just some great stories here.  We wanted to share them with you and our radio audience.

But as you listen to this you got to keep in mind this is actually on television, you’re listening to the audio of a television program. There is going to be some references to some pictures and some artifacts.

So what we’ve done is we’ve put those up on our website at WallBuildersLive.com so you can go check those out today. Let’s join David on that very special program about Great Black Patriots in American history.

 The Hero”€™s You”€™ve Never Heard Of

Glenn:

Welcome to the vault. We have a series that we are going to be presenting on black history. I know.  I’m a white guy, and I’ve invited another really white guy to help me teach this. David Barton come on in.

Black history is all of our history. But I think what we’re being taught in schools, a lot of it is boring.  A lot of it is exactly the same where it revolves around a few people, and there are tons of people that are true American heroes that you’ve never heard of.

This is what we’re taught.  Correct me if I’m wrong.  We’re told, “€œThe Founders were evil, that Abraham Lincoln didn’t care about slaves, and that the civil rights movement really happened in the 1950s and 60s which is unbelievably wrong.”€

David:

Right, they only messed about two and a half centuries.

Glenn:

I know, other than that it”€™s ok. And the blacks were the only slaves-

David:

And only white people were slave owners.

Glenn:

Yes, and that brings me to the things that we want to talk about and cover. Slavery, how did it start? That’s an amazing story, and how it ended. How did it, around the rest of the world, end here.

Our Founders, were they villain slave owners? Or were they enlightened men? Or somewhere in between? The whole civil rights movement-

David:

And that’s an untold story. There are civil rights heroes they go back in the sixteen hundreds.  Nobody hears about them today.

Glenn:

Nobody hears about them.

 The Martyrs

Glenn:

You know what I was thinking about the other day? Kind of take us off track just a little bit.  One of the most read books in the sixteen-seventeen hundreds was the book about the called the Martyrs.

David:

Yep, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs 1543.

Glenn:

Those were the people who stood up for Christ.

David:

That’s right.

Glenn:

As the church was persecuted, right? And the state was persecuting. This show is kind of like that.  Where these are the things that we should be studying because these are the people that had been erased, I think for political reasons, that were amazing heroes.

Blacks that changed the whole fundamental view of what we’re taught. Constitutional chains? Or was the Constitution the key to freedom? That’s something that will take us to Frederick Douglass and other black heroes that you’ve never heard of.  And there’s a ton of those.

David:

Yeah, there’s a ton of them.  Again, we are fairly white here on this set.

Glenn:

Yeah, very white.

David:

I was doing a black history month presentation one time at a big military base. Lots and lots of black folks. They advertised it, had a huge attendance, and a huge auditorium. And they made sure they kept my picture off of any advertising.

So, they had me behind the stage when they introduced Black History I walked out, a white guy, you could hear the gasp across the way. Got done with it and  I had a colonel come up to me, get in my face and say, “€œI now know exactly why they didn”€™t put your picture up there. When you walked out I was really angry.  You told me about lots of my black people I didn’t know about. I’d never heard of it.”  And that’s exactly because you’re right, this is American history, it’s not black or white American history.

And that’s exactly because you’re right, this is American history.  It’s not black or white.  It’s American history.

 We All Need To Know Black History

Glenn:

We’re probably the only ones to ever- no press will ever report this to this on Fox. We did some of the stories on Fox.  We have really incredible stuff, and the documents and even the furniture to back it up this time.

But people were skeptical on our own staff on Fox. The black guys that were working on the floor they came to me after we did that week on Fox.  I remember Oscar, in particular, was really angry and I thought he was angry at me.  After we were done he said, “€œI’m angry because I was never taught in this.  My history has been stolen from me.”€

And it’s been stolen from all of us. Black history is not just for black people. And I fear that when people say, “€œIt’s Black History Month. Let’s talk black history.”€ You immediately think, “€œWell, ok, that’s for black people.”€

David:

“€œThat’s a group over.”€ No this is American history.

Glenn:

This is American history.  It is vital.

David:

And by the way, the Jewish history, the women’s history, the Hispanic history, and I”€™m talking just American Revolution. Who knows we had Hispanic Founding Fathers? Who knows we had Jewish Founding Fathers? Who knows what the Founding mothers did?

We don’t cover that.  We cover the women’s movement starting with voting a little bit and we jump forward to the 60″€™s.  So we get none of this.

Glenn:

This is the first cornerstone in something that David and I want to do. That is, teach with the artifacts the real story of American history.

We’re going to need a lot of stuff out. We’re not going to cover a lot of stuff that you’ve already heard. We’re going to cover a few things to peak your interest and say, “€œHoly cow, really? I want to learn more.”€ It begins now from the vault.

 DVD On Common Core

David:

Hi, friends! This is David Barton of WallBuilders. The current condition of education in America is abysmal. Not only is educational achievement plummeting, but every year, some 19 percent of high school seniors who graduate is completely illiterate. They can”€™t read at all but it was not always this way.

For generations, we taught students how to think. But after the progressives took over education in the early 20th century, things began to radically change. Education shifted from thinking to learning, which made the emphasis on the teachers rather than the students. And that elevated indoctrination above knowledge.

At that time, progressives also made massive changes in the way we tested students. They extended school from 8 to 12 years. They introduced graded education and they added compulsory education. Statistics prove that these changes have harmed education rather than helped it. And now the progressives are pushing common core.

In our new DVD on common core, we give you eight reasons why this current approach is so dangerous to our kids and our culture. We also show you an amazing history of education. So get this new DVD at WallBuilders.com.

 Let’s Start From The Beginning

Glenn:

So we’ve gone through the relics that we have in the vault and pulled some things out. When I say to David, “€œStart from the beginning”€ he says, “€œSure, 1890.”€

David:

1893, that’s the beginning. I would say 1893 because that’s the year of this desk. This desk was in the U.S. Senate in 1893. It belonged to that man William Cox, who was the secretary of the Senate.

Glenn:

So this was the Secretary of the Senate”€™s desk?

David:

All the bills went through the Senate right here.

Glenn:

When I said to you because I knew it was from the Senate, I don’t know who he is, but as I looked at this I said, “€œLook at the ink that has been spilled on this desk.  Imagine the documents.”€ And your response?

David:

All bad.

Glenn:

All bad?  

David:

All bad, ah, there might have been a good one in there somewhere, but overall from civil rights perspective and from black history perspective, all bad, all bad. He represents a real shift in the nation at that point in time.

Nobody thinks about 1893 with civil rights. It’s huge. So to get 1893, let’s back up to how all the civil rights stuff even started in America. To do that, you”€™ve got to go back to 1619. In 1619, Jamestown, Virginia, you have 19 indentured servants arrive.  

Now, books say that’s the beginning of slavery. Well, it was indentured servants they worked for a certain number of years and then they’re free.

 First Slave In America Was Owned By A Black Man

Glenn:

This is so people understand, I was just in Haiti.  That’s happening.

David:

That’s happening.  

Glenn:

And it’s being accepted again. To put it into perspective, some people, very few, are being sold into families as indentured servants. And it’s an ok situation, you’re still a slave.  

David:

For a certain number of years, you”€™re still a slave.

Glenn:

Right, until you’re 20 or something. I would be dead set against it. But it’s not what you think. However, what’s happening in Haiti is most of those kids sleep on the floor, eat like dogs, serve the family. It’s the Cinderella story. So indentured servitude was accepted globally.  Globally.

David:

And it wasn’t slavery. But you had 19 African-Americans who were indentured in Jamestown. One of those folks actually became the first black slave owner in America, and he himself was black. So the story of slavery in America begins with a black slave owner of black slaves.

Glenn:

Ok, so wait.  He was an indentured servant when he came in.

David:

He becomes free.  And then he buys slaves.

Glenn:

How did he go from indentured servant to slaves? How did we all of a sudden say, “€œSlavery is ok?”€ Was it in the law?

 Muslim Slave Hunters

David:

Well, you said the kind of the Cinderella story. It’s kind of a thin line between indentured servant and slavery. Now, granted, the indentured servant is seven years or how many years it was because you didn’t have the money to have passage over.

See, the problem, too, is slavery in America, we weren’t going around looking for slaves. Dutch traders traded anything. It’s like those little corner guys in New York City trade everything.

What happened was Muslim slave hunters in Africa would raid all these African villages and they would take these Africans and sell them to the Dutch, and Dutch say, “€œWe”€™ll sell anything anywhere. “€œ

So they might sell Africans over here and bring back linen from over here. So that’s how slavery came into America was was Muslim slave hunters were putting slaves on Dutch ships. Dutch ships come to America-

Glenn:

Still happening today.

David:

Still happening today.

Glenn:

Not happening with the Dutch trade, but it’s still happening today.

David:

The biggest source of slavery throughout all that era was Muslims. They were the ones who were captured all these blacks. The Amistad story by John Quincy Adams, those were all the folks on that Amistad ship had been captured by Muslim slave hunters out of Africa who put them on their ship and were sending them to Spain.

Glenn:

We encourage you to do your own homework because David just said a mouthful that is so politically incorrect. One, the first slave owner in America was a black man. No judgment there.  It just was.

David:

Slavery is a human problem. It goes across all colors, all lines, all people.

Glenn:

Correct.  It’s not a race problem.

 The Mayflower Versus Puritans

Glenn:

Correct. And then, you say that like for instance the Amistad, those were all captured by Muslims. Politically incorrect. Don’t take anything that we say on this show, gospel. This show is to make you say, “€œWait a minute, I want to know.”€

But go to original sources. And that’s why we’re bringing in the table, that”€™s  why we’re bringing in the documents, and the things in the vault, to be able to show you. Here it is, the original document, the original story, now go check it out for yourself. Do your own homework.

David:

That”€™s exactly right. And that’s key. And that 1619 is going to get us to 1893 eventually. But you take 1619, so that’s where slavery is produced. Now, notice it’s a southern state.  It”€™s Virginia.

So you have the southern states settle first.You have Jamestown, your next settlement is up with the pilgrims in Plymouth-

Glenn:

Did they have slaves?

David:

Well, this is the next place where slavery gets introduced is the north. And at that point, you had the pilgrims who arrived in 1620. At 1630 you have the Puritans who arrive. These are the Bible guys. If you want to say it, they’re the evangelicals. These are the other religious guys down here, but these are the evangelicals.

Glenn:

Who’s on the Mayflower? Evangelicals?

David:

Evangelicals.  

Glenn:

Yes, that”€™s what I thought.

David:

I use that term loosely.  These are the Bible Thumpers.

Glens:

Puritans, they were calling them Puritan as a slam.

David:

Yeah. “€œOh, you’re so pure. You’re so holier than thou.”€ right.  They were dead set on living by the Bible. These guys down here, “€œWhatever the church says, yeah we get preachers, we get ministers, we go to church, but we really don’t read it that much.”€

Glenn:

So, the Mayflower people are the ones we celebrate on Thanksgiving. These are the guys who I can’t imagine would be okay with slavery.

 The Bible Doesn”€™t Promote This

David:

Well slavery, you have the Jamestown calling and taking slaves. Now they’re bringing slaves at about 1643 up into the new England colonies.  These are all the Bible Thumpers up there. I say that because they actually know the Bible and they try to live by it. They try to their economics by the Bible and-

Glenn:

They were the people who were not following the State Church.

David:

That’s right. And they are the ones who had great relations with Indians because they would only purchase land from the Indians. So, what happens is now the slaves come to those folks and they go, “€œTime out. We have here in Revelation that says that at the end time gathered around his throne or all the people from all nations, all tribes, all languages, and they’re all worshipping him. What’s this deal about having slavery and having colors? We don’t do that.”€

 Moment From American History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Although education has remained an emphasis in America for nearly 200 years. What has changed the most over that period of time is the philosophy of education. For example, while religion finds no place of refuge in our schools today, such was not the case at the time of our Founding Fathers.

In fact, when the Delaware Indian chiefs brought their youth to be trained in America schools on June the 12th 1779, George Washington told them, “€œYou do well to wish to learn our arts and our way of life and above all the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”€

According to George Washington, what students learned above all in American education at the time of the Founding Fathers was the religion of Jesus Christ. For more information on God’s hand in American history contact WallBuilders at 1 800 8REBUILD.

 Blacks Were Always Able To Vote In Massachusetts

David:

To you go back to what the Bible says in Acts 17, Paul says, “€œWe’re all of one blood.”€ And so these nutty guys in New England had this crazy idea that there’s only two races in the world.

Those who know God, and those who don’t know God and it wasn’t about color. So slavery comes to them. They freed all the slaves and imprisoned the slave owners. They said, “€œYou’re not going to run slaves in here.”€

You know in Massachusetts there was never, never a time when blacks could not vote in Massachusetts. They”€™ve had voting rights from the very beginning.

Glenn:

No idea.  That should be their license plate.

David:

That should be their license plate, that’s right. First invote. So, civil rights in that era up there. About 1680 or so, you have John Wise, who’s preaching sermons says, “€œAll men are created equal. They’re all endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. Among which is life, and liberty-“€

“€œThat’s in the Declaration.”€ Exactly, but it was preached in a sermon there. The Founding Fathers took those sermons, reprinted them in 1772, and guess what? They end up in the Declaration 1776.

So that New England area up there that’s where you don’t find- you’ll eventually have slaves that come in because individual people moved there and carried their slaves with them or whatever. But as a policy up there,  Pilgrims and Puritans put their foot down.

Glenn:

So when the slave traders went up there, or these people who had slaves.  Let’s say I lived in Virginia and I moved up with all my slaves, what happened? Were they allowed to have their slaves there with them?

 Skin In The Game Rule

David:

Yeah, they had their slaves there with them.

Glenn:

Is that what led those blacks as slaves allowed to vote?

David:

And you know that’s a good question. I don’t know if they were allowed to vote in Massachusetts or not.  That’s a good question. I don’t know the answer to that but I know that as a policy in Massachusetts blacks could vote.

Glenn:

But women could not?

David:

Women could. Women could vote.  It was property owners that voted and you often voted as a family.

Glenn:

I have to tell you, I had an argument with somebody just recently about this. I said, “€œTaxpayers, in the in those days that’s what it meant, property owners.”€ That meant because you had property, you paid property tax.  Am I not?

David:

That”€™s it.

Glenn:

Ok so, taxpayers should be the ones who vote.  I mean, if you pay a penny in tax you should be able to vote. But if you pay no income tax you shouldn’t have-

David:

Because you’re telling everybody else what they’re going to do with their money. See, that was why in colonial America you had to be a landowner to vote because money comes off your property taxes. And if you don’t have property I’m telling you how much I’m going to tax you so that you can pay for… That doesn’t hold up.

Glenn:

And that creates what we now we now have.

 The Truth About Voting Rights For Women

David:

And see what happens is, the professor say, “€œOh the rich white landowners.”€ No time out, it was all colors who own land. And by the way, in Pennsylvania, they made it easy to own. Land was a penny an acre, they wanted you to own land.

But once you had skin in the game, now you can vote and you’re not likely to vote higher taxes on your own property.

See, if I’m only renting stuff and you’re paying property taxes you’re paying for my school education for my kids. “€œI’m renting stuff. I don’t have any taxes.  I paid no property taxes.”€ So that’s why they had that philosophy.

That’s why you if you go back to the Bible you remember when they were divided up the land and there was a group of ladies that came and said, “€œHey, we’re not married and we don’t have husbands and there was no brothers in our family. What are we going to do?”€

Joshua said, “€œYou get an inheritance just like everybody else.”€ So they were land owners. And in New England if you were the landowner, there was no husband in the family, no brothers, you vote. You vote on the basis of property.

Now, you have to think of it more in terms of it’s kind of like a family voting. So the guy’s going to be the one who votes most of the time. But it’s it’s not this big hard policy that “€œOh you’re a woman, you can’t vote.”€ No, there are examples in New England of if you were a lady that owned property and you’re the lady of the house. “€œYeah, you can vote.”€ So, blacks, ladies, all that but we don’t cover that in history today.

 The Forming Of North And South

Glenn:

For political reasons, it’s easier to have to shave the truth on that.

David:

So, you find the country now starting to develop in north and south. Actually, there’s north and south and there’s a buffer zone. You’ve got three Southerns colonies that are hardcore pro-slavery. You get most of the colonies in the north that don’t want slavery at all. There are colonies between there that are kind of mixed.

So, what happens is you kind of have a market division. People can say, “€œThe Mason-Dixon line”€ whatever they want to say. But there is this mark of division and the policies are real different between the two. Down in the south, this is property we’re talking about up in the north that’s not property, that”€™s people.

Down in the South, “€œSlaves were my property”€ and total different policies. I’ll also point out, up in the north was where most of your Bible people were. Down in the south were where most of your church people lived.

Glenn:

The opposite of what is now.

David:

Well, it really is. A lot of that happened after Sherman’s March to the Sea, there was kind of revivals that took off in the south and they got their heads together. So you have this moving forward. Now, as you come into the American founding period you have 13 nations and each nation has its own policy on slavery. We’re not a nation.

As a matter of fact, Massachusetts is made up of three states at the time. Maine is part of Massachusetts, and the Massachusetts Bay Colony and the Plymouth Plantation colony. So Massachusetts is actually three states if you will.

You have Vermont is New York even though they’re really not together it”€™s that same colony. Well, so you have all these separate things. They were so much of nations you actually had those colonies that would fight each other over their borders. You had shooting fights.

I mean it’s not like we think of today of driving from Texas to Oklahoma or from Kansas to Arkansas. Back then, it’s like driving from Poland into Germany or a different nation. So they all had different policies.

 Bring A Speaker To Your Area

Tim:

Hey, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders.  And as you’ve had the opportunity to listen to WallBuilders Live, you’ve probably heard a wealth of information about our nation, about our spiritual heritage, about the religious liberties, and about all the things that make America exceptional. And you might be thinking, “€œAs incredible as this information is, I wish there was a way that I could get one of the WallBuilders guys to come to my area and share with my group.”€

Whether it be a church, whether it be a Christian school, or public school, or some political event, or activity, if you’re interested in having a WallBuilders speaker come to your area, you can get on our website at www.WallBuilders.com and there’s a tab for scheduling. If you”€™ll click on that tab, you’ll notice there’s a list of information from speakers bio’s, to events that are already going on. And there’s a section where you can request an event, to bring this information about who we are, where we came from, our religious liberties, and freedoms. Go to the WallBuilders website and bring a speaker to your area.

 The First Federal Anti-slavery Law

David:

You get them together at the Constitutional Convention, or you getting together in the Continental Congress and trying to make national policies for 13 nations? Hard thing to do. At that point in time in 1784 Thomas Jefferson and the National Congress, Continental Congress introduces a bill to abolish slavery in every colony. We’re not going to have any colony in America.

Now we’re not a nation yet in 1784. It missed by one vote.  Missed by one vote. He writes, “€œOh to God, that he would have changed one heart.”€ He goes into this lament of how close we came. We could have ended slavery and we missed about one vote in 1784.

Glenn:

Where was that one vote from?

David:

I don’t remember the state.  He wrote about it, and it was a vote. Then you moved to 1789, now we’re a nation. We have the Constitution.  We”€™ll talk about the Constitution later whether it’s constitutional change.

In 1789 is the first federal anti-slavery law. You have 13 states have come in with their own policies. But now we’re going to be a nation. And George Washington signs a law, August 7th, 1789, he says, “€œOk, here’s the deal. All this territory we’ve got out here. We’re not going to allow any slavery anywhere in any federal territory. We get slaves in the South. We get some slaves elsewhere. Here out, as we grow, no more slavery.”€

That”€™s the first federal anti-slavery law signed by George Washington.

Glenn:

That really is the match or the strike pad for what would come later the Civil War.

David:

That”€™s it.

 Search For The Truth

Glenn:

You”€™re going to be seeing things on the screen and these specials on civil rights history. Because we’re very, very sensitive to:  A. we’re going to be leaving out a lot of stuff. This is a broad overlook of things that we think that our educational system or our media is missing that is important for you to know.

A. we’re going to be leaving out a lot of stuff. This is a broad overlook of things that we think that our educational system or our media is missing that is important for you to know.

And it also helps you with the arguments on the Founders. There are good Founders and bad Founders. Slave owners, no slave owners. There were slave owners that didn’t want to be slave owners but were trapped in it.

It’s important for you to have all of that information. But I do not want you to say, “€œWell, I saw it on Glenn Beck.”€ No. Go to the original sources. G to the Smithsonian. Go to the National Archives, and go to the Library of Congress.

David has written books about that. But even David would say, “€œDon’t take my word for it. Look at the footnotes and have those footnotes. Are they taking you to original sources?

Everybody has an opinion but we have to we have to if we’re going to come together, agree on the truth. The only thing that we can really say this is what they felt without any personal bias is, “€œWell, this is what they wrote. This is in their hand. This is what they believed. This is what they said.”€ Everything else is speculation.

So the Northwest Ordinance takes us where George Washington is saying-

David:

That’s our first federal anti-slavery law done by a Founding Father, voted on by Founding Fathers, passed a Founding Father.

Rick:

We’re out of time for today, folks. That was David Barton talking about Great Black Patriots and American History will get the conclusion tomorrow. So be sure to tune in right here, on WallBuilders Live.