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Air Date: 11/17/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live, where we’re talking about today’s hottest topics on policy, and faith, and the culture, always from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. I’m Rick Green here with Tim Barton, national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders, and David Barton, America’s premier historian, and our founder at WallBuilders.

And guys, I was trying to figure this out when I was typing in today’s program. This is not the week after the election. It’s two weeks after the election, and we’re still talking about how this thing is going to go. And a lot of stuff has happened even since yesterday’s program, all over the country still got a lot of fights happening in, is it seven states really that are still up for grabs at this point?

David:

I think it’s fair to say that there are six states up for grabs. There are eight in which some type of legal action is going, but I think six are still up for grabs. Four of the larger ones are a lot closer out of the six or seven or eight, depending how you want to count it. But yeah, still several up for grabs for sure.

Rick:

Alright, and legal action every day. So you know, I guess just to catch us up on what’s happened in the last 24 hours. What is really the status with some of those new actions that happen yesterday?

David:

Well, you just mentioned that it’s a couple weeks later, and we’re still talking about legal action, get ready for this for the next several weeks. Because now it’s going to come and go with some degree of creativity, you may remember the lawsuit where three citizens filed suit in Wisconsin after I think 672,000 votes they claim for fraudulent three counties, and they wanted that thrown out. Well, since we announced that yesterday, they have gone back to court and said no, we want to withdraw that lawsuit.

So they completely pull that suit back. No one really knows why they’re not talking, the attorneys are saying that it’s attorney client privilege. I know one of the attorneys involved in that lawsuit, and there’s just nothing out. So I don’t know if there’s a bigger strategy, what’s going on, I suspect that there is. But that’s a big difference since yesterday. And yesterday, we talked about Dominion software, how that ESS and Dominion had about 81% of all the ballots in the nation were counted through that software. And interestingly, we even talked yesterday about how that in Georgia and how that in Michigan, there were results that were changed by the machines.

And Tim, I remember when that happened, you pointed out well, that machine has been used in 47 counties in Michigan and several other states. And it’s interesting to me, I have found no one who has told me anything about why they didn’t check the other 47 counties. So if they did, maybe they have and nothing’s been said, maybe they checked other states. But we heard that clerk come out and say, hey, the machine switch 6,000 from Trump to Biden, that’s a 12,000 vote switch. And I thought instantly, there would be an investigation to all the other machines to see if the same glitch happened, and I’ve heard nothing about that.

Until the last 24 hours, a new addition to the Trump legal team, Sidney Powell, who is, I think, probably well-known because of her defense of General Flynn, but she’s now part of the Trump legal team, she came out in the last 24 hours with all this blockbuster claims and information about Dominion and what it’s doing, and how that they’ve discovered extensive fraud, and that think the election may be even overturned as a result, that means it’s been blockbuster news. But that’s just since we were on the air yesterday. So there’s a lot still happening.

Now, no legal action has yet been filed. She’s kind of fired a shot across the bow and she’s going to be expected to have to perform on that, come up with something showing that Dominion has something substantive here, but there’s a lot of stuff that happened just the last 24 hours since yesterday.

Tim:

Well, and guys, one of the things we even mentioned yesterday on the program was how there were new outlets coming up like Parler that was taking some space from Facebook and Twitter and CNN came out over the weekend and was saying how bad it was that conservatives were leaving these networks that were censoring them, because now there won’t be the diversity of voices, etc.

Well, in the midst of recognizing people leaving Twitter or leaving Facebook, which by the way, at this point, WallBuilders, I mean, Rick, dad, we all have accounts, on Facebook, on Twitter, on these different places, we’re not leaving necessarily yet, but we certainly are expanding out in some of these new territories, recognizing that we don’t want to be in a place that’s going to continue to censor us when we know what we are promoting is historical, biblical, and constitutional.

And so just some of the censorship is ridiculous, but in the midst of people leaving in the exodus, you also are seeing where it used to be FOX News was kind of the go to for conservatives and certainly had the best ratings of any cable network when it certainly came to news, and now there’s a mass exodus from Fox News. But just like Parler now is growing and becoming a big deal, Newsmax app has had more than 2 million downloads over the month of November. And we still have much time left in November, and so as FOX is dwindling, there are voices out there, and just like yesterday, Pat Colbeck talked about let’s fix stuff, let’s find solutions.

And one of the things we’ve talked about for a long time guy’s oftentimes, the free market provides the best solutions to issues that are going on. And if Facebook and Twitter are going to censor things, while okay, Parler is going to enter the scene. If FOX News which was largely viewed as kind of one of the lone soul, conservative voices, is going to go the wrong direction, then Newsmax, some of these other smaller companies are going to step in, and they’re going to fill the gap in the void.

And certainly, here in WallBuilders Live, you know there are listeners from all over the country where more than 300 stations and in the tens of thousands of downloads we get in the podcast every day, there’s a lot of people who are hungry for truth, and unfortunately, there’s just not as many people giving it. But again, this is where the free market has stepped in and done a lot of good things. So it is interesting seeing not only how some of these changes are happening in states.

Dad, as you mentioned, the attorney for Michael Flynn where she kind of made a name for herself, there’s a really great line, she had an interview, I think was last week, where she talked about releasing the cracking. And it was awesome. It was all over Facebook. It was all over Twitter. And…

Rick:

Which by the way, that’s a constitutional phrase. I think it’s article 37 “Release the cracking”. So it’s a very constitutional thing for her to do.

Tim:

That’s what George Washington attended. Right? When things go bad, release the cracking. Well, right, that was a really fun, significant statement and it was all over social media, but it wasn’t something that mainstream media picked up on. And mainstream media still is not curing much of the stories where people are very concerned and they care and they want to know what’s happening. And one of the positive things I would say I’m seeing is you are seeing the free market continued to provide solutions where there has been a gap, a lack, or problems in some of these other big tech organizations or big news companies. So it’s just interesting to see some of the things on the rise.

David:

Well, over the last few months, I’ve been kind of attracted to a new source that kind of keeps popping up when I’m looking for stories, and it’s the Epoch Times. And the Epoch Times, I read the story, said like this is old school journalism. They’re actually getting quotes from both sides. They’re not pushing either side, except for one thing, the Coronavirus, they call it the CCP, the Communist Chinese party virus. But other than that, there’s really nothing in editorial that shows up and I think this is old school journalism. And it turns out that they are now the number one downloaded app for newspaper category.

So they’re growing by leaps and bounds as well, and they’re very pointed that we’re not going, the election should never be called until all the votes are counted, until all the legal disputes have been settled. So we’re not calling the election either way. And so I really appreciate that. But, Tim, going back to what you’re saying about how some of the platforms censor stuff, I was just talking to Glenn Beck. And Glenn told me that he took a tweet from a Democrat US senator who tweeted this and he retweeted it, and they shut him down for false information. And all he did was retweet what the Democrat senator…

Rick:

No censorship of the Democrat Senator, but he gets. Yeah.

David:

Yeah. He just retweets what she did, and got shut down for. It’s amazing how by such platforms have become.

Rick:

You know, I wonder if we need to be thinking about that the way we’ve encouraged people you vote with your dollars, buy at shop at places that are supporting good causes. And if you can avoid the places that are supporting bad causes, and so your dollars aren’t used for that. You know, what if we need to think like that in terms of our own habits of what we’re using on social media and start saying we’re going to kind of vote with our habits and our time and who we support and stop supporting these outlets and encourage other people stop supporting these outlets that are using censorship against conservatives?

David:

You know, I hate that we have to do that, because we’re really polarizing the nation. They’re going to get their news and we’re going to get our news, and we’re not going to know what each other saying, we’ll talk across each other. For the outlets that have been saying that the Biden is definitely it and any attempt by Trump to say otherwise, the anti-steal the election protests have been going on, they’re saying that’s all fake, that there’s no basis to that. They hear all that news. And if it turns out that the courts and all the law comes through and actually turns out that the election was fraudulent, they’re not going to have any perspective except that one side and that’s the only thing that makes me nervous about that.

I think from a conservative style, and by the way, speaking about dollars, I saw that there is now a new economic fund out, an investment fund that you can get if you’re an investor, that will not invest any money in liberal companies. Not going to give any money to them to do what they do, it invest only in conservative companies, and it has a really high profitability rating. So for people who have investments, that’s a new one out there. I’m just not sure what I think yet about the media stuff, but all going to one side or the other and getting so polarized, we don’t even hear what the other side’s saying, I see that as a potential problem.

Rick:

It does exacerbate the echo chambers, right, exactly like you’re saying. Quick break, guys, we’ll be back in just a second. And as we’re going to break, I was thinking, as you’re talking about the media has really gone all in on this, one of my board members for Patriot Academy, Mark Hall, he said they put all their chips in at this point. And so they’ve really done everything they can and if it does turn out, the Supreme Court upholds the rule of law and constitutionality, the media is going to have a very serious black guy on this thing. Quick break, we’ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. So we’re still talking about the election two weeks later. And there’s some results we haven’t had a chance to talk about some of the good news across the country. The day after the election, we talked about the fact that really it had been the opposite of what the media had portrayed, the blue wave crashed into the red wave and on the State level, the red wave was definitely victorious. So let’s get into some of those specifics in what happened in the States?

David:

Yeah, there’s some really good results from States. I’m going to start with South Carolina. And by the way, Rick, this is a name that you should recognize, a Patriot Academy graduate representative Jonathan Hill, who’s a State rep in South Carolina,

Rick:

Jonathan Hill, that entire Hill family are Patriot Academy grads, and Jonathan has the best beard of any Patriot Academy grad fitting for South Carolina.

David:

I love it. Why would you have a beard in South Carolina, that’s way too hot and humid down there? Oh, my gosh! So Jonathan put this news out. He said here’s some good news from a state rep in South Carolina. He said “Republicans flipped two crucial seats in the State Senate. And the two they flipped who were very senior Senate Democrats and they were unexpectedly defeated.” They expected to be safe, they were taken out.

He said “On top of that, these two very senior House Democrats were also defeated by Republicans.” So all four were senior members, all four were unexpected victories for Republicans. He said “All four of those voted against constitutional Carrie, all four of those voted against the unborn, and all four of those are now gone. So he knows that with Senate Democrats now being outnumbered by nearly two to one, they’re going to have a hard time filibustering the next pro-gun or prolife bill that comes to the Senate floor. So that’s a piece of good news out of South Carolina. With just four changes, you can see some major policy changes in South Carolina, which would be really interesting.

Rick:

That’s really good. And I have to break up bragged on Jonathan Hill there in South Carolina. I got to brag on another Patriot Academy, grad, Jenna Pal up in Ohio has been one of the ones in the legislature there leading the fight against Dwyane and all the COVID crackdown. She’s done a fantastic job on that. And then Patriot Academy Bob Hall, senator here in Texas, who’s been leading the charge against all the COVID crackdowns here. So go Patriot Academy grads out there fighting for freedom.

Tim:

Well, guys, as long as we’re talking about the good news, and Rick, you mentioned Ohio, one also very good thing from Ohio is Ohio gained in the majorities. They have Republicans in their state legislature and specifically in the prolife legislators they have, where Ohio already lean prolife, but they made gains. And this is one of the things we’ve talked about too. It’s interesting where you see President Trump has not done as well nationally as state Republicans have, or as congressmen and senators. And it’s interesting, and it makes you then wonder if there’s fraud and some of these suspicions. But what’s really great from Ohio is that they’ve made gains in the House and Senate. In fact, the Right to Life in Ohio says that a tied is turn toward the cause of life. So in the midst of good news in the State, Ohio is becoming even more prolife, which we always like to hear.

Rick:

Alright fellows, quick break, we went a little long in our first segment, so we’re going to have a short segment here. We’ll be right back with more good news right here on WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. We got some more good news out of the election, staying with the states right here.

David:

Yeah, we are we’re going to Louisiana now. One of the referendums Louisiana had on election night, which seems like five or eight years ago, was actually to approve what was called Amendment 1, which called the Love Life Amendment. And that’s one that would say, alright, if abortion ever gets overturned at the Supreme Court, if it comes back to the States, if Roe v. Wade goes away, and we’ve talked before that we think from the legal experts we’ve talked to, they think that within three years, the Supreme Court probably will reverse Roe v. Wade.

And so Louisiana is preparing for that. And they say if it ever comes back here, there is nothing in our State constitution that protects abortion or causes us to have to fund abortion anyway. And so that passed by 2:1 margin, Louisiana. 70% of the state says they’re prolife in polling. And so this constitutional memo was actually introduced and sponsored by State representative Katrina Jackson, who’s a prolife Democrat. And Louisiana may be the only state in the nation where they still have prolife Democrats and good for her, and so that the state passed this.

And this is one of I think, 12 or 13 states now, in the last couple of years that have passed an amendment saying if the Supreme Court goes the way of putting this back to the States, you had West Virginia 2018 did this, you had Alabama did this a couple years ago. So this is a good trend is going on. And Louisiana now joins the rank of being prolife if this comes back to the States by passing Amendment 1 on election night.

Tim:

And guys, I know this is not Good News Friday, but we’re just giving updates that we have found over really last 24 hours, we’ve just kind of made notice of some of this new stuff. And in Montana, they have moved Republican. And actually, for the first time in roughly two decades, 20 years, Montana has gone Republican with now having a Republican governor, and this is the first time they’ve had a republican governor in 16 years, and Republican member of Congress.

And so just it’s interesting, again, we’ve talked about how there’s just been a lot of gain made on the ground level. Montana is yet another state where there have been some major gains made. And it’s a State for two decades has not been there, but now Montana is leaning in the Republican direction. And actually, Republicans have the majority of Montana, and so just great to see some trends sweeping. And then again, these are just kind of headlines that we are seeing, that we’re just trying to keep people updated and apprised of, and that’s one from Montana.

David:

And going to Kansas, there’s a combination of some federal and some State news here. At the state level in Kansas, they did really good at the prolife level. They have now increased their majorities in the House and Senate, almost two-thirds. Republicans in the House, in the Senate, both chambers and they’re resoundingly prolife. And so they think they have an opportunity to pass what they call the Value Them Both Amendment which is a state constitutional amendment. So that’s good news at the state level.

Also, they were able in an open city election for the US Senate, prolife Dr. Roger Marshall defeated pro-abortion Barbara Bollier in Kansas, despite the fact that she spent millions in that fairly rural, fairly, however you want to say it, non-popular State, may be the best way spent just an excessive amount, and so prolife US senator from Kansas had been added to the US Senate which is also good news as well.

Tim:

Well, also, somebody added prolife to the Congress. We’ve mentioned how many prolife women were elected in this election to the US Congress. One of those is Congresswoman Herrell, from New Mexico. And dad, I think she used to be part of our profamily legislators conference in Dallas, if I’m remembering correctly?

David:

Yeah, she actually attended a number of times. And she’s a great legislator, a great lady. She’s really strong prolife, strong Christian lady, just a wonderful lady to represent New Mexico now.

Tim:

So I know this isn’t Good News Friday, but we are seeing a lot of positive things happening. And so just kind of give an update to what we’re seeing, it actually ends up being some pretty good news.

Rick:

Alright guys, we got one more segment today, we got some questions for the audience we’re going to dive into. Stay with us, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us for our final segment today. We’re going to close it out with a question from Joseph. He said my questions about winner take all method for a State’s electoral votes. “I heard recently that electoral votes were originally counted similarly to how Maine currently counts them. One congressional district has one electoral vote. Is this true? It seems to me this removes concentration of power from large cities in presidential elections. Does this approach lineup better with the founders original vision for the electoral college?”

David:

Yeah, that’s a great question, and the Electoral College is very much in the news right now. All sorts of things out there about how the State legislators may have to appoint their electors, etc. But this is a great question. And it really does go to the fact that right now, major cities tend to take over an entire States vote. For example, California has a number of republican congressmen, but because of the influence of San Diego and Los Angeles, and San Francisco, every electoral vote in the State is going to go to the Democrat. And by the way, this the same in Texas, every electoral vote in Texas will go to the Republican even though we have a number of Democratic congressmen here.

So under that original system, he mentioned the Maine system, what happens in Maine, there’s two congressional districts. And what they do is they say, each congressional district, the electoral vote for that congressional district goes to the winner of that district in the presidential race, and whoever wins the state gets the two senate votes. And that’s also done in Nebraska as well. So those are two states have split up their Electoral College vote. Everyone else just gives all the votes for the whole state, all electoral votes to the winner.

So by splitting it up, you do get away from the cities having such a domino effect in the state. And Washington, Seattle is going to drive Washington State does. Portland is going to drive what happens in the state of Oregon, etc. So that really is an interesting innovation. However, the founders intended that the States have the power. It wasn’t the city versus the rule. They just intended that the States be the one that choose the president, and not the nation, but the states within the nation choose the president.

So I would say the original design of the founding fathers was to make sure that the States did it. And in the Constitution, they said that the States can determine the time, the place, and the manner. And so if a state wants to do what Maine and Nebraska does, that’s great. They have the right to do that as long as the state is the one determining how the electors are chosen. And right now 48 out of the 50 States don’t use that original process where each congressional district gets one electoral vote. Now, all those congressional district, electoral votes are thrown into the state bucket, which then goes to the winning candidate in most States.

Rick:

You guys remember, a couple years ago, Ken Blackwell came on the program to talk about really a movement to go back to that, he’s really for that and we debated it on the program. I’ve kind of been on the fence about it, because you could see where it would help in some States and hurt in other States. But that’s the way the founder saw it, let each State decide on their own how they want to do it.

And in fact, I mean, there’s a reason the founding fathers left it to the State legislators, they knew they would be the closest to the people and like you said, they would create a way for the state to have a voice in that process. And that’s really a timely topic right now, because a lot of these States are considering changing how they choose their electors in this particular election, and doing what the Supreme Court has said that they have the power to do, a plenary power to take back the choosing of the electors, and the Supreme Court said this, these words, “at any time.” And so Pennsylvania might do that at the end of all this recounting and investigation, Wisconsin might do it, Michigan might do it. But like you said, David, it’s up to the legislature to be able to do that. And there’s some really interesting legal arguments being made that they could even do it in this election, because of all of the chaos.

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