Water From The Great Deep, Science Backs Up The Bible Again: It”€™s always so cool when science backs up the Bible! Scientists have discovered something that proves a great flood once covered the whole earth in a previous generation! Today we have a special guest on from Answers in Genesis to discuss this discovery with us. Tune in now to find out what that discovery is!

Air Date: 04/09/2018

Guest: Dr. Andrew Snelling

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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We’ve got a special guest coming on later today from Answers in Genesis. Right now I”€™m here with David Barton, he”€™s America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, he”€™s national speaker, pastor, and president of WallBuilders. And my name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

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David, Tim, our topic today kinda comes out of how, Tim, you had brought up a Good News Friday issue a couple of weeks ago that had to do with some scientific research that had come out, some stuff I did not understand. So, we’ve asked a guy from Answers in Genesis to come help put it in perspective for us this week. But remind us a little bit of what that good news article was about.

Tim:

Yeah, it was something that actually I saw on social media initially. It got some traction, certainly, on social media. We didn’t see a lot about it for national media the attention. But it was a couple of studies that had come out and actually some scientists at secular universities were coming forward and saying, “€œWe’ve just made these amazing discoveries.”€

Water Under The Earth”€™s Surface

Tim:

Specifically, speaking of the fact that they were now acknowledging that there was water underneath the earth’s surface. But not like water you’re digging for a well for your house. No, no, no, they’re looking down to the mantel. So, you’re miles, and miles, and miles, under the earth’s surface, under this kind of exterior core. And as they’re going down the reason they discovered this is they were finding diamonds in multiple nations around the world and the diamonds they were finding, because of the compression the intensity forming this diamond, it was actually formed around water. There was water inside of the diamond.

And so when they were finding water in these diamonds they kind of asked the question – where did this come from? How did this happen? And so their conclusion was there is water somewhere down in the mantle of the earth which affirms what the Bible talks about when God brought up waters out of the deep, from the earth this water came forward.

So, the really cool thing was that science was affirming what the Bible had already testified to, but science was now getting there. And we said, “€œWe really need someone from Answers in Genesis to come talk about this from more of a scientific perspective what they are seeing, what this discovery really was, and how that science is confirming what the Bible talks about with water being somewhere down in the core, or, really, in the depths of the earth.

David:

Rick, let me throw in here something that Tim and I heard recently in Israel. We had a WallBuilders group to Israel with us and we joined with some others. And periodically we’ll do tours over to Israel. We have a guy over there that does these tours that”€™s just absolutely superb. And the guy is not only a government official, and not only a special force kind of guy military wise, but he’s also an archaeologist – young guy maybe 30– What is he, Tim, maybe 38-39 or so?

Tim:

Yeah, I think probably just under 40, but somewhere around there.

David:

And an archaeologist on hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of digs. He’s one of the most excellent Bible teachers I’ve ever been around. So, we do the tours with him and we get into places nobody goes. And we do things that busses just don’t see and tours don’t see, so it’s really unique.

37,000 Archaeological Sites in Israel

David:

But he was pointing out something that I thought was really significant. He said there’s about 37,000 archaeological sites in Israel. And he said the way you approach archaeology there’s actually two viewpoints – there’s Tel Aviv vs. Hebrew University. Tel Aviv is the really, really, really, secular part of Israel. He said that’s like the San Francisco of Israel is Tel Aviv. When you get over to Jerusalem and Hebrew University that’s much more what we would call the red heartland of the country. That’s more conservative folks.

And so he says what they have over at Tel Aviv University when they look at the Bible they are what are called minimalists. He said that means they believe absolutely nothing out of the Bible and they look for everything to disprove it. He says, now, on the other side, at Hebrew University is what are called maximalists. They believe everything in the Bible. And he said interesting thing with 37000 archaeological digs is Tel Aviv guys are always looking for something to disprove the Bible. So far they have not found a single piece of archaeological evidence to disprove a single thing in the Bible. The maximalists are always looking for things that prove the Bible and with thirty seven thousand archaeological digs they have not found a single thing that disproves it – everything proves the Bible.

So, coming at this from a minimalist approach, everything proves the Bible. Coming at it from a maximalist approach – everything proves the Bible. And so gives you great confidence in the Bible. Well, what you have, the scientific community today is much more that minimalist stuff, “€œWe don’t believe anything in the Bible.”€ But they keep coming up with all the scientific discoveries that keep affirming what’s in the Bible. Whereas on the other side, we tend to be maximalists. We’d say, “€œWe believe the Bible.”€ And we keep finding study, after study, after study, after study, that affirms what’s in the Bible. Including this study right here where that there are now secular scientists that are saying, “€œMan, there are oceans, oceans, of water that are down deep in the mantle of the earth. And if those had broken forth at some point then that would have flooded the earth.”€ These are secular guys, but that just proves what we believe and it goes against them as minimalists because it’s also disproving what they had believed.

So, going to Answers in Genesis is going to be a lot of fun because they’ve got those Ph.D. geologist over there that are– they’re academically trained at the same level as all the critics and yet their maximalists and the Bible keeps proving all the stuff right.

Rick:

Well, one of those guys is named Andrew Snelling. Dr Andrew Snelling at Answers in Genesis and he’s going to be with us when we come back from the break. So, folks, stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Today, Dr. Andrew Snelling is with us. He serves as the Genesis in Genesis director of research and is editor in chief of online Answers Research Journal Dr. Snelling, good to have you on, sir.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Thank you. It”€™s good to be talking with you.

New Research

Rick:

Well, we need a little perspective here. We saw that there was some some new research that came out that had to do with water in diamonds and that that actually points to evidence for the Flood. So, help us understand all this.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Well, actually it’s additional to what has been written for several years now. There are several lines of research looking at materials that have been brought up from deep inside the Earth as a result of volcanic eruptions. That’s how diamonds reach the surface, in fact, because they are supposed to have formed with the temperatures and pressures necessary for their formation down about two to four hundred miles down inside the earth.

And sometimes these diamonds include, have within them, inclusions of other minerals including minerals that are found in the Earth”€™s mantle. It appears that research has shown that these minerals are capable of, in effect, locking water molecules into their crystalline structures. Like as if it”€™s the way the atoms line up together and connect with one another there”€™s enough space between them to fit in a water molecule.

And so that means it’s been * since these minerals represent the bulk of the composition of the Earth”€™s mantle the major. The major mineral is a mineral called *, the gem variety is called *. Some of your listeners might be more familiar with that, it’s a green mineral. But studies of that mineral have shown that the water molecules can fit inside its crystalline structure within the mantle.

So, if you look at the volume of the mantel, remember it’s 1800 miles thick all around the globe – huge volume. You calculate the water in there – several of these reports have come to the conclusion there must still be oceans of water inside the Earth”€™s mantle. Now the significance of that is because we read in the Scriptures that the Flood commenced when the fountains of the great deep broke open, or broke up. And then we”€™re told the windows of heaven were opened. But the primary source of water sounds as though it came from inside the earth.

Oceans in the Earth”€™s Mantle?!

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Now, there’s not enough water even inside of the Earth today that’s in the outer skin or crust of the Earth to put oceans of water on the Earth”€™s surface. But this research indicates if there are still oceans of water down there, how much must have come up at the time of the Flood through those fountains. Because those fountains– knowing what we do about the ocean floor, the Earth’s ocean floor, is made up of a lava rock called basalts which can only come from melting of the uppermost portion of the Earth’s mantle. So, if these basalts erupted during the flood, at the beginning of the flood to produce the ocean floor, and we even see huge outpourings of these basalts on the continents.

For example, a third of the subcontinent of India is covered with a thousand foot thickness of basalt lava layers called the Deccan Traps. There are similar huge outpourings of basalt lavas up in Siberia called the Siberian Traps. Well, that means that came– those basalts came from melting of the Earth”€™s upper mantle. That would have also, at the same time, released water. Once the minerals melted the water locked into the crystalline structure as minerals would have been dissolved in that molten rock and when it erupted it would have come out onto the surface. In fact, we know today from observation that more than 70 percent of what comes out of volcanoes is actually water in the form of steam.

Rick:

So, if all of this evidence is pointing to that– once again we’re seeing science catch up with the Bible because we’re learning things that–

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

That”€™s right.

Rick:

–we didn’t know before.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Yes.

The Bible Was Telling Us That Before

Rick:

–yet the Bible was telling us that before.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Correct. Yeah, it is. It is. It is. Yeah, we often get castigated as Christians for believing the Genesis account of the Flood. I say, “€œWell, where did all the water come from the to cover the earth?”€ Well, wait a minute, as you just said, science is now catching up. We’re discovering that there is still– and I’m quoting the scientific papers– oceans of water, oceans worth of water, still inside the earth”€™s mantle. So, there’s abundant water still in the Earth”€™s mantle to cover the earth in a global flood. So, if that’s the case now, and the Earth’s mantle was there before the flood, then there was an ample source of water to cover the earth just as the Bible describes.

Rick:

And as you mentioned earlier this is additional evidence to some other studies from a few years ago. So, as this evidence begins to mount up, what are the evolutionists– how are they responding to this? Whenever we say, “€œThis backs up the Genesis account.”€, how do they dismiss this in other words? What are you hearing from them at this point?

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Well, we hear nothing. Usually when we point things out like this they totally ignore us. First of all, they don”€™t want to give us publicity. Secondly, they don”€™t want to give any indication that we might actually be right, that the evidence that they’ve found supports their case.

Rick:

Yeah.

They Just Try To Ignore

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

So, they tend to want to ignore that. And that’s in line with what the Scriptures say. It says that in the last days there will come scoffers who will be willingly ignorant of the evidence that there was a worldwide flood.

So, they just try to ignore what they”€™re saying about this evidence that they’re honest, at least, in reporting the evidence and even mentioning the implication that there’s a lot of water still in the Earth’s mantle. But they don’t connect that to what the Bible says because they don’t want to accept what the Bible says.

Rick:

Just to be clear before you talk about the what the Bible says about it. You mentioned just now they’re reporting. These studies are not creation scientists–

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Oh, no.

Rick:

–that have discovered this.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Not at all.

Rick:

These are the, typically, the more secular scientists that have discovered this.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

That”€™s right. These are from well credentialed university geology departments written up in highly regarded scientific, secular scientific journals.

Rick:

Yeah.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

This research is very good research. The fact that there’s multiple studies indicate that the research is being replicated by various lines of evidence. So, it means that there’s good agreement now in the secular scientific community that there is still a lot of water inside the Earth”€™s mantle. But they refuse to accept what the implications of it in terms of what the Bible says.

Ultimately, It”€™s Not About the Evidence

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Because ultimately, it’s not about the evidence, it’s a spiritual issue. Man doesn’t want to bow the knee to his Creator and therefore he cannot accept the Bible is a reliable report on the Earth”€™s history from one who was there who told us what happened. Even though they weren”€™t there – the scientists weren”€™t there–

Rick:

Right.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

–we weren”€™t there. That’s why we have to turn to God’s word as a reliable witness.

Rick:

It’s interesting that you that you quoted from 2 Peter because that’s often what I think of in the way they respond. 2 Peter talking about scoffers scoffing. And it is – they really try to use derision, and insults, and everything else, and act like Christians have no– they’re simple minded, no science. Look, you”€™re a Ph.D. in geology, I was looking through your whole list of credentials, you match them step for step in all of those things.

How did– have we got more Christians that are taking the route that you did in going through the scientific experience, and the knowledge, and all that, so that we have more intellectual answers? That’s what Answers in Genesis has done over the years, I believe, is brought our ability to respond to the left to a whole new level. Are we seeing more people like you, and Ken Ham, and others, in this next generation that have an interest in this–

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Yes, we are.

Rick:

–so we can combat this a little more.

The Exciting Thing

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Yes. In fact, first of all we still see older scientists occasionally come to faith and become creationists and recognize the importance of the evidence.

But what I’m excited about is that there’s so many young people who are taking up this information, they are endeavoring to get the best qualifications as a Christian in secular colleges so that they’re well credentialed. And yet they firmly accept the biblical account and they’ve got to step up to the plate. Some of them are already stepping up to the plate. And I believe there will be many more in the years ahead. And that’s one of the things that is close to my heart is that I want to be able to mentor young people to whom we can pass on the torch.

Rick:

Yes. Amen. And the quality that you folks are putting out in terms of material – from the Creation Museum and the Ark, to the materials that you put out, the videos, is just off the charts good. And that makes such a big difference for being able to present the truth and persuade – that’s a big part of what we’re saying.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Why should Satan have the best quality material?

Rick:

That’s right.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

As Christians we should be excelling at doing everything to the best quality level as unto the Lord for His glory.

At the Tip of the Spear

Rick:

Amen. I couldn’t agree with you more, brother. You guys are at the tip of the spear on that.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Well, thank you for your encouragement.

Rick:

AnswersInGenesis.org.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Thank you.

Rick:

Yeah absolutely. Keep up the great work and we look forward to having you back and just thank you for your ministry.

Dr. Andrew Snelling:

Thank you very much. Good to talk with you.

Rick:

You as well. Stay with us, folks. We’ve got David and Tim Barton when we come back right here on WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us on WallBuilders Live. Thanks to Dr. Andrew Snelling from Answers in Genesis for joining us today. We”€™ll have a link to their website at our website today at WallBuildersLive.com. Really encourage you to use their resources to educate you, and your family, and certainly your young people, at such a critical time as they’re developing their worldview. They need those facts.

We’re back with David and Tim Barton. And, guys, okay, I’m starting to understand this and still– I’m not a science guy this is hard for me. And, David, I think you taught science, didn’t you, when you were younger?

David:

I did. I taught science. Yep. Sure did.

Rick:

Okay. So, this is in your wheelhouse. I’m a little bit lost here, but I’m beginning to understand that these are secular scientists that are finding these things and then having to put that information out and it fits right into the creation narrative – not the evolution narrative.

I Bet They Don”€™t Have a Clue

David:

But you know what, I would bet that most of these guys today, secular guys, are not very familiar with the creation narrative to know that they just supported it. I bet they don’t have a clue that the Bible says that when the Flood came that God opened the fountains of the deep. In other words, the mantle, that oceans of water that’s in the mantle came up. And as Andrew was saying, you can even see it on the floors of the ocean, that basaltic kind of rock that”€™s down there on the floor is where it broke through. And so I’ll just guarantee that those guys in secular science don’t know anything about the Bible talking about the fountains of the deep. But they have now found it and talking about it.

And so on our side because we know the Bible, we say, “€œSee, that just proves the point. That doesn’t disprove anything.”€ The guys think they found an amazing discovery, but it’s only a discovery that’s about 5500 years old if you go back to the beginning of man, and go back 4500 years to Abraham, and the writing of the scriptures even back at the time of Job, etc. That’s pretty amazing stuff. So, I’m not sure that these guys on the secular side are aware that they are actually proving creation because I think they think creation is a bunch of hocus pocus – you guys just believe the Earth appeared and God did it. But they’re not familiar enough even with the science of the Bible.

And by the way, I want to take one of the least religious founding fathers in the founding era and just read you a statement that he made as one of the least religious guys. I can”€™t even call him a founding father because Thomas Paine did not sign any founding documents. He did not have a major impact in any document. He was a great articulator of principles, but beyond that–

Tin:

Well, although some people would argue because of common sense, right. So, he had some major influence and thoughts.

Common Sense Was Really Key

David:

And by the way, George Washington, and Benjamin Rush, and Ben Franklin, all those guys thought common sense was really key to the Revolution.

Tim:

There’s no doubt. So, Thomas Paine had a major influence on the early mood that set the tone for the Revolution. Which again, so many guys pointed to this pamphlet, Common Sense, which is great insight saying, “€œReally, it”€™s common sense we’re talking about here. This is not rocket science.”€

So, so some people would argue because of Common Sense he should be considered a founding father. Even though like some other guys who signed major documents, he didn’t. Although arguably, neither did Patrick Henry so. So, I understand where people are coming from.

David:

You bet.

Tim:

But certainly understand why you could also argue that he’s not really a founding father although he certainly was influential early on. Nonetheless, he was definitely influential whether you consider him a founding father or not.

David:

And if we call him a founding father– and I don’t have any trouble that because he did have a definite influence– If we call him a founding father I think you certainly have to put him as the number one most anti-religious founding father. He’s the only Founding Father who came out with a full book attacking the Bible and attacking Christianity and just calling it a bunch hooey, essentially.

Theology From a Secular Founding Father

David:

So, he goes after it, but even at that he still did not deny God. He still did not deny that God is the source of science. So, here’s a guy who dislikes the Bible, who dislikes Christianity, and I want to just read you what this secular founding father said. He said, “€œAll the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive, principles. He can only discover them and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author–“€ and he has a capital “€œA”€ there for “€œAuthor.

So, that’s what just happened. These scientists- they can’t invent principles, they can’t contrive principles, they can’t make principles, they can over only discover them. Such as these oceans of water in the mantle of the earth.

And he said, “€œThey ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”€ He said, “€œWhen we examine an extraordinary piece of machinery, an astonishing pile of architecture, a well executed statue, or a highly finished painting where life and action are imitated, and habit only prevents us mistaking that painting for actual solidity, our ideas are naturally led to think of the extensive genius and talents of the artist.

For example, when we study the elements of geometry, we think of *. When we speak of gravitation, we think of Newton. So, how is it, then, that when we study the works of God in the creation we stop short and do not think of God? He said, “€œIt’s from the error of the schools and having taught these subjects as accomplishments only and separating the studying of them from the Being who is the Author of them.”€

Get this – the guy we would say is the least religious founding father–

Rick:

No, what you just read was from one of the theologians of the day, right?

David:

Exactly right.

Rick:

It was John Witherspoon, or it was–

David:

Exactly right. This would be your Bill Nye of the day.

Rick:

Wow.

Only God Can Come Up With Principles in Science

David:

And this guy who is absolute opposed to God except he said, “€œYou can’t do that science because man can’t come up with principles in science – only God can do that.”€

Tim:

Even that thought – certainly he was very anti Jesus, but he wasn’t anti a creator, an author, someone beyond us. And so even with that there’s a little bit of nuance that sometimes gets lost. So, we’re not saying that he believed or defended Jesus. Nonetheless, he’s looking and saying, “€œGuys, it’s obvious we didn’t create ourselves, we didn’t come up with all this.”€ So, there was such– to him it was what the Founding Fathers considered a self-evident truth.

David:

Well, that’s what we would call intelligent design today. He landed right in the middle of that and there’s no profession of Christianity anywhere close to him.

Tim:

No, but this is– and to me this is where I was going. Like the idea it was so self-evident that there was a God, right, like any idiot ought to be able to understand this, of course there is a God.

And this is where science today has tried so hard to avoid that that they haven’t come to conclusions that should be, in some of these cases, self-evident and obvious. But back then even your anti Christian guys could say, “€œNo, no, no, there’s a God who, right, we didn’t just evolve and come from nothing. There was something beyond us.”€

So, even the least religious, the most anti Christian guy in the founding era still acknowledges there is a God.

Water From The Great Deep, Science Backs Up The Bible Again

Rick:

Well, once again science is catching up to the Bible. We constantly discover these things in the scientific community that the Bible had in there all of this time. So, thanks for listening today, folks. Thanks to Dr. Andrew Stelling and the folks at Answers in Genesis for being with us today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.