What Happened At the Capitol Wednesday – An Important Update: What really happened in DC yesterday? Who was involved in storming the Capitol? Bad behavior should always be condemed. Why did the Capitol police let people in? Tune in to hear this very important update!

Air Date: 01/07/2020

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton


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Faith and the Culture


You found your way to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live, talking about the hot topics of the day, from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective; man, do those words mean something today after the big day yesterday of January 6th. 

My name is Rick Green, I’m former Texas legislator and America’s Constitution coach. And I’m here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder here at WallBuilders, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor and president of WallBuilders. All three of us love our nation and love the Constitution.

And we are, gosh, guys, how do we accurately describe what we’re feeling today after being lovers of history as well, yesterday was a historic day in some good ways and some incredibly bad ways. And let’s just start right off with, we started off with a day that was going to be a wonderful time of debating the Constitution. 

And even if we didn’t have the votes to be able to actually discuss how the Constitution should work, which is always a good lesson for the country, and unfortunately, a portion a very small portion compared to the hundreds of thousands that were there to simply rally for Trump but a portion of some group of people, whether they’re infiltrated by Antifa, we don’t know yet, but definitely some Trump supporters overran the capital. Guys, place you’ve been more than I have, but we’ve all three been quite a bit.


Right. Let me start off by saying anytime we see bad behavior, it bothers us. You know, we were very quick all last year to point out that some of these riots, and the news media at times they call even peaceful protests, right? 

The Hypocrisy of the Mainstream Media

We joke about last year how CNN had a correspondent, a reporter on the ground, and they were reporting on destruction in the city, and CNN little graphic at the bottom says fiery, but mostly peaceful protests, as the buildings were burning down behind them. And of course, people were quick to identify the hypocrisy.

We have said all along that there are certain behavior that should not be tolerated. We praised President Trump when he came out and said, the people that were tearing down monuments, that they were destroying federal property, you were going to face serious jail time for doing that. That was the appropriate response, because you should not tolerate bad behavior.

And frankly, what we saw yesterday was bad behavior, Rick, you already alluded to the fact that we don’t exactly know who all these people were, definitely we know there were some Trump supporters that were in the Capitol building. It is very suspicious that maybe there were some Antifa members who were leading some of the chaos. 

Some of the videos that have come out after the fact show an individual trying to break a window there at the Capitol building. And clearly, a MEGA Trump supporter goes over and tries to pull the individual away from the window, then the Trump supporter get pulled away and beaten a little bit. It does seem like perhaps there were some Antifa members there.

But regardless, it doesn’t matter if these were Trump supporters, or if they were anarchists, or chaos Antifa, it doesn’t matter, that was bad behavior. And we will never condone bad behavior. And frankly, it’s just bothersome that at a time, it should have been significant, it should have been historic, it should have been focused not only on the rally that was happening, but on what was happening in the House and the Senate were things that we haven’t seen literally in our lifetime and it was quickly derailed because of bad behavior of individuals who were there. 

And maybe there was some intent behind that, maybe that was part of the plan was to derail the process, to stop what was going on, again, that this is a little searing speculation, because we don’t have all those details yet. But certainly, we are bothered by the bad behavior we saw yesterday.

The National Guard for Trump Supporters?


And there’s a few perplexing thing that I would point out as well. And by the way, let’s just say too that as, Tim, you and I were on TV, doing some live TV yesterday, looking at what was happening and giving commentary as things were going along in the House and Senate in a joint session. And there were some joking going forth about why did you calling out the National Guard in DC for Trump supporters. Those are not ones you’re worried about. And the comment we made a time was, yeah. 

But I will just about guaranteed that Antifa will show up to try to cause some kind of controversy, not going to be the Trump people per se to do it. There’ll be Antifa tried to provoke something so that they can catch that on TV and show this violence that happened. And so we even talked about that as things were starting off yesterday.

But what is perplexing to me is I have probably been in the Capitol of the United States, at least 1000 times, I think 1000 is a very safe number, and I have never before ever seen anything like I saw with the police least not stopping stuff right at the front as it’s happening. Now, maybe an Antifa group can break into a post office. And we saw some of those first people going and you saw hammer and sickles tattooed on them, and several of the people recognize some of the obvious guys that have been a lot of the Antifa stuff and BLM elsewhere. So there’s no question some of them definitely was Antifa, and they had MEGA hats on but going in.

And there’s no question that that a lot of naive kind of lambs follow them in once they got there. And there’s also no question there’s a video of the Capitol Police actually opening doors, pulling down barricades and then letting people come in. Now, that is the craziest thing ever. As many times I’ve been in Capitol that is the most secure federal building anywhere in the world as far as I know. 

I mean, they’ve got all the House and Senate members in there, and they are so rigorous with what they do with the public and the screening and they have all these different protocols to keep you from being able to get straight in, you have to turn corners and go in different directions.

It’s Perplexing…

And so it’s perplexing to me to see the ease with which this went in. And one of the tragedies of the day apparently was one of the Trump followers tried to follow a man and was going through a window and got shot and bad decision. You don’t ever enter a federal building through a window. Oh, my gosh! So you know, who knows who started, who knows what happened to tragic loss of life along the way. 

But it’s still very perplexing to me to see what I saw, and to not think no, wait a minute, somebody told them to stand down somewhere. Because there’s no way you get into that federal building with the ease with which that group broke into it, and not have something serious happen, and not have them shut that down insulate with those 300 National Guardsmen that were called up for duty. I mean, that just didn’t make sense.


Especially knowing that they brought in extra police units. They brought in Swat. It was estimated there were going to be between 1 and 3 million Trump supporters who were going to rally and then they were going to march with the Capitol. All of this was known information, and so security would have been heightened. 

Not only is the President around, you have the Vice President, you have the Speaker of the House, you have all these members of Congress. This should have been the most secure building in the entire United States of America yesterday.

But I mean, dad, as you mentioned that there are these videos of police removing barricades and letting people come up to the Capitol. There’s testimony of people who were at the Capitol who said, the police were letting us into the building. And so it is very suspicious right now, we don’t know exactly what happened.

We Must Condemn Bad Behavior

But again, the bottom line is anytime there is bad behavior, we’re going to condemn bad behavior regardless of who does it. If it’s a Trump supporter, if it’s Antifa, or Black Lives Matter, it doesn’t matter. Bad behavior should always be condemned because you shouldn’t be doing those kinds of things. That’s not the way our nation should function. And certainly, not the way that we as a traditional Christian organization want to promote behavior, that should be the right kind of behavior.

We want to look at the historic, the Constitution, and the biblical perspective. And certainly, the Bible gives us perspective when it comes to right and wrong, when it comes to good and bad, and that includes behavior. And what we saw yesterday, frankly, just wasn’t good behavior.


You nailed it, Tim. And that’s so much what is important about what we say in this moment with regard to the culture, we’ve allowed this mindset in America this year, ever since the mayor of Minneapolis said, stand down, let them air their grievances and gave up that police building, and then it led to violence and writing all over the country. 

And even good people might have just seen that for the last seven months and got the wrong idea and thought, well, if they can do it, we can do it. Well, that’s not right. That’s wrong biblically. That’s wrong constitutionally from any perspective of a good society. And we know historically that that leads to the worst kind of a society because then government has to become heavy handed in order to stop that kind of thing.

So we want to be very, very clear about that today, and certainly being consistent in condemning these things no matter who it is that’s doing it. And I got to say and watching the speeches last night, from all the Senators, I sure wish that we had heard the same kind of condemnation on what took place yesterday at the Capitol from a lot of these senators this summer when it was even worse violence and a lot of murders and a lot of billions of dollars in property damage and all the things that happened, but they just couldn’t seem to find their voice to do it then. 

A Little Sanctimonious

And I’m talking about Democrats and Republicans. I appreciate the fact that they condemned what happened yesterday. But boy, it sure seemed a little sanctimonious to me whenever they were so silent throughout this summer in the last seven months.

But at least we did finally have some unity with regard to the idea that that mobs are not good, violent mobs are definitely not good, and they spoke against that. Guys, let’s take a quick break. When we come back, let’s get back to the constitutional part of this. Because it was really interesting what happened at the beginning of the afternoon yesterday. And then of course, we want to talk about how it ended up late last night. Stay with us folks, you’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. The year after the American war for independence ended, we begin addressing the issue of Muslim terrorists in North Africa, who were attacking American ships and killing and enslaving American seamen. Congress dispatched John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to negotiate peace. And when they asked the Muslim Ambassador the reason for the unprovoked attacks, he told them that it was written in their Quran that it was their right and duty to make war upon them whenever they can be found.

16 years of negotiations failed, and in 1801, America sentence military to crush the terrorists. When that war ended in 1805, the first American edition of the Qur’an was published, urging Americans to read the Quran to see for themselves that his teachings were incompatible with the safety and peace of non-Muslims. To see the first American Qur’an, and to get more information about America’s first war on Islamic terror, go to wallbuilders.com.


We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Very important day to really analyze what happened yesterday from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. And let’s get to that historical and constitutional perspective with regard to what happened yesterday afternoon, the place where our grievances are supposed to be peacefully resolved in the courts and our legislative bodies, that’s what a constitutional republic is. And that was beginning to happen yesterday afternoon.

And guys, we were on together a common and as it was beginning to happen and look like, what was there like 12 or 13 senators that had talked about objecting and little over 100 House members objecting to some of these states and saying, look, we know the elections were held illegally and unconstitutionally based on who has authority to change election law, and we want to know more. 

Nothing Like it In Our Lifetime

And so it started off with the House and Senate separating and having a chance for both sides to debate this and give them reasons to accept or reject those electors. Hadn’t seen that happen in our lifetime.


Now, this is the first time we’ve seen something like this. This is certainly nothing in our lifetime, has happened a few times in the history of the country. But I don’t know of anyone living today who has seen anything like this in their lifetime.


And David, I should correct that. I apologize. I mean, there was a very quick vote back in oh five with the Ohio delegates when the Democrats objected to the electors for from there, but it was like 74:1 and it didn’t, it was resolved very quickly, and there just wasn’t much there, wasn’t anything like this go around.


Well, and even guys the idea of objecting to a group of electors, I mean, I think the Democrats have done this the last three presidential elections whenever is Republican president. And so this notion of objecting is not a new thing. But generally, it was a house member, a congress person who was objecting and there wasn’t a second in the Senate, would you have to have somebody from the House and the Senate objecting slate.

And then what we saw yesterday is even to be more specific, if you look at the last several Republican presidents who were elected, Democrat objecting to those electoral slates. But usually it was somebody in Congress objecting to it and there wasn’t a senator to affirm with their objection.

Nancy Pelosi Flip-Flops

And what we know, based on some of the law and the House rules, the way it’s interpreted right now, is that you have to have somebody in the House and the Senate to object to it, and then you divide up into your separate bodies, and you can debate it, kind of like what we saw initially happening yesterday before some of this chaos erupted and all those things happen.

And so some of the things that we were hearing yesterday is that people who’re objecting were anti-Constitution, and they were trying to provide chaos, etc, etc. These are some of the levels of hypocrisy that frustrate people. Because when you have Democratic Congress people who have objected to electoral slates in the last three Republican presidential elections.

And now, you’re saying that if Republicans object to it that they’re not constitutional, and they’re pro-chaos, etc, etc. This is where we did the yesterday levels of epoxy that certainly were bothersome for those of us who have paid attention, and who tried to be consistent in our positions.

Nonetheless, what we saw yesterday, even though various stork, there have been attempts at some of those moves for many presidents in our lifetime, it’s just nobody is has had the Congress and the House and the Senate affirm until yesterday.


Well, and Tim, with the exception we already talked about, which was that really quick vote in 05, which by the way, Nancy Pelosi said this really shows how strong our democracy is to even allow for this objection to take place. Didn’t hear her say that this time.


This is historic in the sense that no one living today has seen what happened yesterday, in the sense of that long a time out and where you had Congress debating and you had serious debate, you had a number of senators and number of reps and that going back and forth. That’s not been part of our lifetime. So it really was historic what happened yesterday?

What Power Did Pence Have?


Yeah. And part of what made it so much more momentous is it was the first time that that debate or those objections could have actually changed the outcome of the election. And so that in other times, it was one state, and it wasn’t going to make a difference. Guys, we got to talk about Mike Pence for a minute, because there was also a lot of drama over, nobody knew exactly how he was going to handle the situation. A lot of advice from different folks and constitutional scholars disagree on what the role of the Vice President is, how much power they have under the 12th Amendment versus the 1887 law, what Congress can do, I mean, all that stuff we’ve talked about in the past.

And so Vice President Pence was in, man, you talk about the hot seat. I mean, this was the toughest position and hot seat that I’ve seen in politics in my lifetime, and the pressure was enormous. And he released a statement right as they were going into meet, really laying out his legal argument basically, for based on his research and based on all the advice he’d gotten, he chose one of the paths that we’ve talked about on the program would be a fair path, which is, he’s going to make sure that all objections are heard, and that there’s evidence presented, but he’s not going to make the decision all by himself.

And as you guys know, I’ve argued that he could based on history and what some other Vice Presidents had done. But he chose not to go that route, and some people are really slamming him for that and even the president too. But I mean, a lot of people are calling him a traitor and all this stuff. Guys, we’ve known Mike for 25 years, we know he’s a good guy, and I just feel like he’s getting a raw deal right now.


I would not want to be in his shoes. I would not want to make the decisions he made. And if I was to step in unilaterally, and say, you know, we don’t have real evidence of fraud, yet. We think it’s happened. We’re convinced this happened. We’ve had legislative hearings where there’s good indications this happened, but we don’t have the smoking gun yet.

Where is the Smoking Gun?

I think we’re going to have a smoking gun, we don’t have it yet. But on the basis of what we don’t know, and on the basis, and you know, I would have gone in the direction of look, what happened in Pennsylvania was a violation of the written law. Fraud aside, it was a violation of written law, that’s got to be set aside.

But I think he’s in a tough spot. We listen to President Trump’s speech before he started, and he was counting on Mike Pence to take control and make this thing right. And I just don’t think you as an individual have the authority to take that much control when you don’t have that much backing. The Senate wasn’t going to be with you on it.

The House wasn’t going to be with you on it. And for you to take authority over both elected bodies and say, here’s what I’m going to do, I just think that that’s a hand that was dealt him that nobody wants, and it’s no way you win in that situation.

And Rick, as you pointed out, I think that is one of the options that was out there that is available. And I think he took an option that’s about as far as he probably could have gone and gotten away with without creating some real problems from both those in the House and Senate over whom he was presiding.


And it’s ridiculous that people would question his courage or as loyalty. Because the last four and a half or five years, there really hasn’t been a more loyal person, probably to President Trump, then Mike Pence. He stood by side as far as all the craziness and the arguments and the scandals. And Mike Pence has courageously stood up when a lot of people were backing away from President Trump and he said, no, I’m not doing it. And so now because he didn’t do exactly what somebody wanted him to do that, again, I mean, Rick, you argued you thought constitutionally he could, but we knew there were several options.

A Socialist-Marxist Agenda

For him to choose an option, that was still presumably very constitutional, because we have not seen yet the smoking gun, although dad, you alluded to the fact that we think we probably will. We haven’t seen it yet, though. So for him to make the decision he made, I don’t see that as cowardly or being unfaithful to supporting President Trump. But that is what people were saying and it’s just a really silly position, I think, because that’s not at all who Mike Pence is.


That’s right. That’s right. Well, guys, let’s take a quick break one more time. When we come back from the break, we’ll talk about really what to do with yesterday. What do we do now? It’s today, right? And we move on. And clearly the decision has been made in the electoral votes certified by Congress, so Joe Biden will be President and Kamala Harris, Vice President.

And so what do we do in the next few years as clearly a socialist Marxist agenda is marching our way in America. How do we as good citizens fight against that? And what do we do to make sure that we’re preparing ourselves to be good biblical citizens in that kind of environment? Stay with us, folks, we’ll be right back on WallBuilders Live.

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Well, we’ve got a special program for you available now called Constitution Alive with David Barton and Rick Green. And it’s actually a teaching done on the Constitution at Independence Hall in the very room where the Constitution was framed. We take you both to Philadelphia, the cradle of liberty and Independence Hall and to the WallBuilders library, where David Barton brings the history to life to teach the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

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This is No Time to Run for the Hills


We’re back here on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with this final segment of the day. And guys, I’ve heard people say, of course, I remember when Obama got elected, everybody said, we’ll never survive it, the country’s done. It’ll be over in just a couple of years. And I just don’t think our country can be destroyed by one president. You know, definitely that we damaged, no doubt and bad policies.

But We the People still have the ability. We had great victories on election night all across the country. And I believe we can do that, again in 2022. Not to say we’re not going to have some tough days ahead, but this is no time to run for the hills.


Well, it’s no time to run for the hills. And this is a really a time where I think we have the opportunity to shine in ways that we haven’t had in a long time. We’re going to have more opportunity for persuasion, because there’s less knowledge today about what’s going on in reality.

We’ve already seen polling that most people didn’t hear, for example, eight main stories that were very critical to Democrats, the media just blacked them out. And after the election, when Democratic voters were asked if you’d known one of these eight stories, would it have changed your vote. They said, yeah, I wouldn’t have voted for Biden if I had known about Hunter Biden or whatever. They’d just never heard the stories.

So you have to realize that a lot of people don’t have the knowledge you have. They haven’t heard the stuff you have. And you can’t get ticked at them for being dumb when their dumbness is just based on the fact that they haven’t heard anything.

The Cure for Ignorance


And that’s probably better known as ignorance than just being dumb, big picture. Sometimes people frustrated, and we’re like, they’re dumb. Well, yes. But if they’re ignorant, they just don’t know what’s true. It’s not that they’re choosing something that is foolish, they might just not know what’s true. And dad, as you’re pointing out is that a lot of people, they just don’t know the information that we know, and therefore they’re making poor decisions based on a lack of information or bad information.


And that’s it. You have to have patience with them and you have to be willing to teach them. You have to be willing to create a relationship with them and just kind of feed them information because they do not have the information. If they had the information you had, they wouldn’t have made the decisions they did. So you have to be patient with that, you can’t get frustrated with it.

And the other thing, I think that’s really important, we talked about this a little bit even as the election was coming on. But the fact that 77% of conservatives now self-censor, they don’t want to be attacked, and you think being attacked might have been bad when Trump was president. What do you think it is now when they got the House and the Senate and the Presidency?

You got to have courage, and you got to be willing to stand up. And there’s a lesson learned from congressman Randy Forbes, is really, really, really good spiritual lesson. And it’s held up a several Bible verses.

But he said, if you go to Africa, and you look at how the lions hot in the savanna in Africa, you have a lion pride where you get a male, and you’d get several females, so is the females who do the hunting. And the way they do it is really interesting that the male will go to one end of the savanna, and he will get at the far end, and he’s got that loud voice.

Run to the Roar

And when he roars, they can be heard for several miles away. But what the females do, who are the hunters, they get at the far end of that roar. Because when the animals hear that roar, it scares them, and they run away from it, and they run right into the waiting teeth of those females who are waiting there. It’s trap.

He said, the thing you do as you run to the roar, when you hear a roar of a lion, that’s where you want to head because that’s the safest place to be. He’s not a good hunter. He’s too big.

He’s too slow. He may look intimidating, but he’s not like those females are. And so this idea of running to the roar, when you hear the roar of a lion, and we’re told in 1 Peter, that our enemy is like a roaring lion, great, when you hear that roar, run at it. That’s the best place to be.

Running away from it, get intimidated, going solid, that’s what will get you killed in a figurative sense, not literal, but in a figurative sense. And spiritual, you got to run at the roar. You can’t run away from conflict, it’s going to be there. You need to go face it head on. And that’s the safest place to be.

You know, and there’s one of the things I’ve mentioned as well, Rick is really easy to get discouraged. And if you read in 1 Samuel 30, David, who was living in the land of the Philistines, they came and they rated him and his men and they took all their wives away, all their families away, all their possessions away, and the guys who had been with him so long, even they turned on David, and everybody was discouraged.

And in 1 Samuel 30:6, it says, and David encouraged himself in the Lord. And when he encouraged himself, he said, okay, guys, shake it off. Let’s all stand up. Let’s get back on our feet. Let’s go attack the enemy and get all of our stuff back.

Encourage Yourself in the Lord

But it happened because David was willing to encourage himself. Nobody else around had that encouragement. He encouraged himself and then he spread that around to his men. They follow them and it turned into a great victory. So sometimes you have to encourage yourself, because there’s nobody else around to encourage because they’re all discouraged. But don’t let that drag you down.


Well, one of the best ways to run toward that roar is to make sure that we are equipping ourselves. Certainly, listening to WallBuilders Live, going to wallbuilders.com, there’s information we’ll be providing trying to help you stay informed on what’s going on culturally, certainly, constitutionally, historically. But Rick, you’ve been working for a long time on a new project, a new curriculum, helping equip people on how to be better at being biblical and constitutional citizen. And so what can people do to get signed up for that?

What Happened At The Capitol Wednesday – An Important Update


You know, it’s a really easy thing to do. We give it away for free. It’s available at biblicalcitizens.com or you can just go to constitutioncoach.com. But it’s a great way to get your church involved. It’s a great way to get your family and friends educated on what the Bible says about how we should form our societies, and then what we as individual citizens in our particular constitutional republic can do.

And there’s a lot of great information there, some new presentations by both of you guys, Kirk Cameron, Mat Staver, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, I mean all kinds of folks that have contributed to this project to help empower and equip citizens. So folks, we really encourage you to do that in 2021. Make that one of the steps that you take to be the catalyst for restoring biblical values and constitutional principles in your community, state, and our nation.

Thanks so much for listening today. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.